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0. PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2003 9:46 pm    Post subject: Obsessive Compulsive? Reply with quote

I was doing an oral presentation the other day in my Sociology class about arcade gaming-and what would bring people there when there are all these consoles out with internet capabilities and of course theres the computer for unlimited gaming-and, of course I had to bring up DDR in the presentation, and out of nowhere my teacher brings up "obsessive compulsive disorder." Now I play alot, yes, but I do not consider it to be obsessive compulsive, but HAVE seen people that have brought playing DDR close to that level. This just kinda struck me that it really kind-of is obsessive compulsive, I mean if you can AAA 90% of the game, yeah you have caught the disorder, or should I call it a disease?
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1. PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2003 11:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

...Disorder? No. I would call that skill. OCD would be like.. the constant unignorable urge to go to the arcade every day, not that fact that you're able to do really well on it.
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2. PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2003 11:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PidgePidge wrote:
...Disorder? No. I would call that skill. OCD would be like.. the constant unignorable urge to go to the arcade every day, not that fact that you're able to do really well on it.


But you don't understand... he becomes severly deprived if he doesn't play on one of his five days a week, and has to play twice as long the next day. laugh.gif

I would call that constant unignorable. E13.gif

As for me however, I have constant control, and can stop playing... stop... DDR... must... go... drool.gif
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3. PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2003 11:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PidgePidge wrote:
...Disorder? No. I would call that skill. OCD would be like.. the constant unignorable urge to go to the arcade every day, not that fact that you're able to do really well on it.


Unignorable and it would literally drive you to the edge if you weren't able to go to the arcade. You'd go totally insane, panic attacks and all that fun stuff.
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4. PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2003 12:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i have ocd and am wierd about many things but one is i can only play an even number of sets on ddr one time i had to beg a stranger for a quarter cause i only played 5 sets and couldnt stand to leave on an odd number
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5. PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2003 6:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I might have it too.. riiight.gif

I have a constant urge to go play DDR at the arcades.....and I am begginning see that I keep asking my mom constantly (every other day) if we could go to Chuck E Cheese and stuff (they got DDR there).

Where there is no DDR, I pretend to play and move my feet on the floor and a bunch of people look at me strangely. E15.gif It helps a little.
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6. PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2003 7:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No... to be a disorder, it has to do a few things first.

First, it has to really bother you. If your obsession is DDR, than you would have to feel like something really bad would honestly happen if you didn't play. It's like people who lock and unlock their doors over and over. If they don't, they will really honestly not feel safe unless they fix it. So, if DDR has such a hold over you that you start to really have something bother you if you don't play, than, maybe E1.gif

I like the idea you brought up, though. Ever since console games became par with arcades, they arcade industry has suffered, and tried so many things to make the arcade experiance unreproducable at home. Only bemani succeeded... Any other game (fighting games, mostly) only last as long as until the home versions come out. Our SCII machine was doing great, but dropped to near nothing after the console verision came out.
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7. PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2003 7:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

god. People need to learn the differences between the meanings of:

a) obsessive compulsive disorder
b) addictions
c) spending too much time on hobbies
d) liking things.

There's a HUGE FUCKING GAP between (a and b) and (c).

People don't tell people who practice basketball for four hours a day, hoping for a scholarship, that they have OCD. And really, it's just spending too much time on a hobby, the same as playing DDR a lot.


The DSM-IV Criteria for OCD, and stephanie, commenting, wrote:
DSM IV Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD) Criteria


A. Either obsessions or compulsions:

Obsessions as defined by (1), (2), (3), and (4):

(1) recurrent and persistent thoughts, impulses, or images that are experienced at some time during the disturbance, as intrusive and inappropriate and that cause marked anxiety or distress

//if thinking of DDR causes you anxiety and distress...

(2) the thoughts, impulses, or images are not simply excessive worries about real-life problems

//and it's not because you're just worried about your competition or an upcoming tourney...

(3) the person attempts to ignore or suppress such thoughts, impulses, or images, or to neutralize them with some other thought or action

//and you have to suppress the thoughts of DDR, 'cause they're *soooo* disturbing, with another thought or action...


(4) the person recognizes that the obsessional thoughts, impulses, or images are a product of his or her own mind (not imposed from without as in thought insertion)

//and the thought of DDR doesn't come up like, when you walk by an arcade or someone mentions it or as stream-of-consciousness-- no, when you're in the middle of a conversation with a hot girl and suddenly you're ridden with anxiety *because of DDR*... then you might have an obsession.

Compulsions as defined by (1) and (2):

(1) repetitive behaviors (e.g., hand washing, ordering, checking) or mental acts (e.g., praying, counting, repeating words silently) that the person feels driven to perform in response to an obsession, or according to rules that must be applied rigidly

// so if you MUST play the same song for six sets of 6 times consectively on the same difficulty, because 6 is your obsession number ...

(2) the behaviors or mental acts are aimed at preventing or reducing distress or preventing some dreaded event or situation; however, these behaviors or mental acts either are not connected in a realistic way with what they are designed to neutralize or prevent or are clearly excessive

// and you HAVE to do it, not for health benefits or fun or the social benefit of being with friends (rational), but because you didn't wash your hands six times this morning (irrational), and who knows WTF might happen... you might have a compulsion, and it's DDR.


B. At some point during the course of the disorder, the person has recognized that the obsessions or compulsions are excessive or unreasonable. Note: This does not apply to children.

C. The obsessions or compulsions cause marked distress, are time consuming (take more than 1 hour a day), or significantly interfere with the person’s normal routine, occupational (or academic) functioning, or usual social activities or relationships.

D. If another Axis I disorder is present, the content of the obsessions or compulsions is not restricted to it (e.g., hair pulling in the presence of Trichotillomania; concern with appearance in the presence of Body Dysmorphic Disorder; preoccupation with drugs in the presence of a Substance Use Disorder; preoccupation with having a serious illness in the presence of Hypochondriasis; preoccupation with sexual urges or fantasies in the presence of a Paraphilia; or guilty ruminations in the presence of Major Depressive Disorder).

E. The disturbance is not due to the direct physiological effects of a substance (e.g., a drug of abuse, a medication) or a general medical condition.

// ... so playing DDR two hours a day to lose weight if you're overweight isn't OCD.


(everything with //'s in front is my comments, basically showing how it would relate. I added the bold/italic/underlining as well; other than that, that *is* the diagnostic criteria.)

I'd guess the reason that people would associate OCD with DDR is 'cause it seems so repetitive. But if you actually play, then I think you'd realize that "playing DDR for two hours" isn't necessarily containing the repetitive aspect, and may even be how you hang out with friends. But I mean, if you have to play a certain song thirty-six times consecutively alone in your basement everytime you don't start walking with your left foot... yeah, you might have OCD. But *even so*, it's a symptom, and not the cause.

(And i doubt anyone read all that.)
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8. PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2003 10:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I wouldn't call it obsessive compulsive either....it is mearly a favorite pastime, just like baseball!
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9. PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2003 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stephanie wrote:
(And i doubt anyone read all that.)

I did... E2.gif
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10. PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2003 12:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In my opinion is, I really don't care if it is a disease/disorder or not. I play DDR every week because it is fun and I enjoy doing it.
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Alright, I have OCD (flipping light switches up and down 5 times and dotting periods 5 times constitutes it... right? Yeah, it does), and my only link between the two is when I play warm-ups at home (Light), I need to hit arrows right foot, left foot, R, L, R, L, and so on, even if I end up standing backwards for an extended period of time.
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12. PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2003 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, I don't think that it's possible to develop something like OCD over playing DDR...It's just a game.

Orion.25 wrote:
Alright, I have OCD (flipping light switches up and down 5 times and dotting periods 5 times constitutes it... right? Yeah, it does), and my only link between the two is when I play warm-ups at home (Light), I need to hit arrows right foot, left foot, R, L, R, L, and so on, even if I end up standing backwards for an extended period of time.


That example that Orion mentioned could be counted as OCD, and maybe if you double-stepped in that situation you feel very, very, very bad about it and try to fix it by playing the same song over and over again...Maybe that counts. But I don't think you can really be obsessed that much. I have no idea why they use the word "obsessive" in obsessive-compulsive disorder.

I have little bit of OCD too, dealing with contamination. It would be funny if I still have it, and I go up to a machine, cleaning every panel and every button before playing.
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13. PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2003 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Michaela wrote:
I have no idea why they use the word "obsessive" in obsessive-compulsive disorder.


Because it means you either have obsessions and/or compulsions, as defined by the arbitrary diagnostic criteria.

To summarize, obsessions are the recurring thoughts which cause irrational anxiety. Compulsions are the requisite behaviors, to cope with the anxiety generally stemming from the obsession. But yeah, this is an extreme oversimplification.

I think it's kind of odd that they're not classified separately since according to the criteria you can just have obsessions and still be diagnosable (not sure about if you could just have compulsions, since they're supposedly coping or whatever).
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someone wrote:
Alright, I have OCD (flipping light switches up and down 5 times and dotting periods 5 times constitutes it... right? Yeah, it does)


Also, I'm dying to know when it became the in-thing to have self-diagnosed mental disorders. Seriously, WTF.
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stephanie wrote:
someone wrote:
Alright, I have OCD (flipping light switches up and down 5 times and dotting periods 5 times constitutes it... right? Yeah, it does)


Also, I'm dying to know when it became the in-thing to have self-diagnosed mental disorders. Seriously, WTF.

Just now I guess E15.gif
Anyway, I think I have OCD cause, When I play I absolutely HAVE To play Kakumei, then twilight Zone before I play anything, I refuse to play anything but those 2 songs when I play, AND NOBODY CAN STOP ME devil.gif
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16. PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2003 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not obsessive.... I can quit DDR any time...

Any time at all....

What? Why don't I give it up...

I don't want to....

Are you implying I *shouldn't* go every day?

.... just because I don't have any money?.....

No! I'm not obsessive!
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17. PostPosted: Sat Nov 22, 2003 12:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My bro has OCD and unless you have a physical need to play DDR, nothin is wrong.
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18. PostPosted: Sat Nov 22, 2003 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm from a community where DDR is not very respected. not very many people play aroun here and it kinda sucks. So whenever I go to school with my DDRFreak.com t-shirt on or even TALK about it I get called obsessive about it. I dont go to the arcade to play all that often (once a week tops). I hate it! I wish I lived somewhere where I was more understood. E2.gif
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19. PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2003 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Uhh...I'm guessing that just because they scored an AAA doesn't mean they're quite obsessive, it's just that they've been training and they have enough skill and all that jazz. =) Yeah.

Wow....I haven't posted in a LONG time.
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