Ddr Vs Itg!

[8ftmetalhead]

No not really.

But seriously, since I've been playing ITG at the arcade and watching youtube videos, I've noticed something strange about alot of the ITG charts.

They're all really god damn slow.
The only songs that seem to be reasonably fast are vertex 1, 2 and energizer. And even then, the guy who did the record attempt for vertex2 used 3x speed and mini.

Compare that to a DDR chart, and almost all the songs are a decent speed.
I personally don't speed up songs on DDR or it makes them too hard to bloody read.

I think this is due to how the charts are constructed. ITG seems to use low bpms with incredible densities of arrows, while DDR uses faster bpms so the arrows are more spread out by default.
Personally, I prefer DDR's way of building charts. I don't like trying to play ITG's charts with patterns like summer speedy mix at Bag's sort of speed.

And more to the point, a song's difficulty is supposed to arise partially from the speed at which the arrows scroll. Like Bag. Hella hard to read if you don't play it much.

I don't know, it just befuddles me how people set their charts to scroll so fast. Especially if they then struggle to read it and end up with a score full of great-'s.

What do you guys think? When do you speed your songs up? When do you slow them down? WHY?

If it makes sense, what do you guys think
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[Da-Risin-Smoke]

I'm a pretty conservative player.

On DDR I only use 1.5 and ITG I use 2.5 at max.

Hey, that kind of matches to what you were saying.
Now that you mention it, it's almost true.

However, I thought both games use the same speed songs for the most part; 150-180 being the average speed.
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[8ftmetalhead]

I think that's because DDR charts have sped up bpm's in some cases, so that while the bpm is the same, the charts are more spread out by default.

That or it'll be the reverse. ITG charts could use the actual bpm scrolls and yet doubletime the notes in the chart, rather than doubling the speed.

In summer speedy mix's case, for example, I'd expect the charts' normal speed to be up around twice what it is now. And that's the speed I play it at.

As for modifiers, I tried a few rounds on reverse. OMG so hard to read the faster/denser charts. I'm gonna make a topic about them when I cbf'ed next.
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[figgy20000]

Your logic is very, very flawed as DDR consistantly uses bpm "doubling" and in one case (Bag, cough) bpm "Halfing"

Max300 is 150bpm, bag is 130 something bpm (I don't remember it's set bpm off the top of my head), the DDR creators decided to change their BPMs and that of pretty much all the 10s to make them look scarier, or something. Maybe they don't like to use 16th notes.

And Summer is 185BPM, that's pretty fast... and doesn't help your arguement much.

[figgy20000]

Your logic is very, very flawed as DDR consistantly uses bpm "doubling" and in one case (Bag, cough) bpm "Halfing"

Max300 is 150bpm, bag is 130 something bpm (I don't remember it's set bpm off the top of my head), the DDR creators decided to change their BPMs and that of pretty much all the 10s to make them look scarier, or something. Maybe they don't like to use 16th notes.

In general the average BPMs of DDR and ITG are around the same, the reason ITG probably looks more clumped is because ITG is a lot harder and therefor has a lot more arrows leaving your screens with less space

In general people set their speed mods higher because they can't read the default modifiers. People have trouble reading Bloodrushs Slowdown on 4x speed. They get greats because their timing sucks

[8ftmetalhead]

FINALLY someone here has a god damn opinion.

As my last post said though, I realise that either of the games (as you say, DDR) doubles the scrolling bpm of the songs.
I'm just wondering why ITG for example doesn't, despite the fact that its charts generally contain much faster steps.
Just took a while to put the idea into words, and I still did it badly. Ohwell.

Personally, I find that the faster scrolling charts are suitable for fast paced music and steps, and I think it's strange for ITG and DDR songs to share similar bpm's but have such different scroll speeds/methods of construction.

Even then, having simple patterns scrolling at about 600-700 bpm in some cases just seems weird to me.
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[maxx freak]

I actually think that there is a difference in the average song BPMs. ITG songs are usually in the 130s on average, whereas for DDR the average is more in the 150s.

No, I didn't whip out a calculator, so I'm probably off, but that's the general idea.

[NIQ9]

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To be honest, DDR has just as many slow charts as ITG does. It's just ITG's slower songs have better charts (well, for the most part).

Plus, ITG is all about custom songs now anyway, so it doesn't even matter.

but ya, I can read both really slow and really fast speeds. Bag 1x is easy to read. I can read Bag as low as .5x. On ITG, I use 4x overhead for 140 BPM (or 5.25x hallway). I use 3x overhead for 170 BPM (4.25x). I use 2.5x overhead (3.75x hallway) for 200 BPM. My comfort range is 700-780 BPM hallway or 550-650 BPM overhead, and I do not get greats unless it's a 12+

I read a tad slower on DDR because of that bar at the bottom of the screen and the transparency issue.
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