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0.  Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 5:34 pm Post subject: The song Xepher... |
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Well, it really is a very interesting and a very nice song. The video's also awesome, but that leads me into a few questions:
~> Are the anime characters in the video from a certain anime, or were just made specifically for the video/song?
~> For a very brief time, acrostics are displayed in the video, all beginning with "X". Does anyone have a copy of these acrostics?
~> Also for a very brief time, lyrics that aren't sung are displayed in the video, which are seen after the first verse. Can anyone tell what these lines are supposed to be?
~> One more thing, what are the instruments used in the song? I can hear like loads of them...so I wanna know which ones are used.
Thanks for your time to satisfy my curiosity.
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Chewphoria
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| 1. Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 4:42 am Post subject: Re: The song Xepher... |
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| ~unsung wrote: | Well, it really is a very interesting and a very nice song. The video's also awesome, but that leads me into a few questions:
~> Are the anime characters in the video from a certain anime, or were just made specifically for the video/song?
~> For a very brief time, acrostics are displayed in the video, all beginning with "X". Does anyone have a copy of these acrostics?
~> Also for a very brief time, lyrics that aren't sung are displayed in the video, which are seen after the first verse. Can anyone tell what these lines are supposed to be?
~> One more thing, what are the instruments used in the song? I can hear like loads of them...so I wanna know which ones are used.
Thanks for your time to satisfy my curiosity. |
1. They are beatmania IIDX characters (AFAIK).
2. No, sorry.
3. IDK.
4. IDK.
I'm not much help :V
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| 2. Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 10:54 am Post subject: |
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| It's offsync. That's all you need to know. |
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| 3. Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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| mute lol wrote: | | It's offsync. That's all you need to know. |
I love this second-hand knowledge.
If you can tell me the increment to which it is off, and what direction, ill be genuinely impressed. |
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Zonic
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| 4. Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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1.) NO. Sorry, it's just that you're about the 64th person to ask that. It's one of those questions that gets asked alot. The person who drew it is Maya, who draws some stuff for Beatmania.
2.) X expense punishment hocuspocus ecstasy reality
X end prayer hesitation existance regret
X everlasting pain horrible evening recurrance
3.) Lyrics:
Existing in this place now are uncleanable lies
I wonder when it has begun
How far do
I have to go to see the light?
Stars in your eyes
Stars in your heart
You will live in shadow
of shade and commit eighth sin
Unrequited existence will turn
Everything into sin
4.) Don't know this. |
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| 5. Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Ninja N8 wrote: | | mute lol wrote: | | It's offsync. That's all you need to know. |
I love this second-hand knowledge.
If you can tell me the increment to which it is off, and what direction, ill be genuinely impressed. |
Second-hand knowledge? Not so much. It's pretty widely known that Xepher is noticeably off. As for which direction, I wouldn't know offhand because I haven't played it in a long time. If I recall correctly, it was early before the SN patch and late after the patch. And as far as the increment to which it is off, that would be extremely difficult to know exactly. Unless one had direct access to the original files on the SN software, I don't think one could say for sure. If I had to venture a guess, it would be in the neighborhood of 25 to 35 milliseconds. |
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| 6. Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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For instruments, I'd have to say at least violin and organ.
Oh, and a synthesizer. 
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| 7. Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Zoniku wrote: | | 1.) NO. Sorry, it's just that you're about the 64th person to ask that. It's one of those questions that gets asked alot. |
HAY GUYZ WUT ANIMAY IZ DoLL FROM
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| 8. Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 5:11 pm Post subject: Re: The song Xepher... |
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| ~unsung wrote: | Well, it really is a very interesting and a very nice song. The video's also awesome, but that leads me into a few questions:
~> Are the anime characters in the video from a certain anime, or were just made specifically for the video/song?
~> For a very brief time, acrostics are displayed in the video, all beginning with "X". Does anyone have a copy of these acrostics?
~> Also for a very brief time, lyrics that aren't sung are displayed in the video, which are seen after the first verse. Can anyone tell what these lines are supposed to be?
~> One more thing, what are the instruments used in the song? I can hear like loads of them...so I wanna know which ones are used.
Thanks for your time to satisfy my curiosity. |
1. From IIDX...which is where Konami pulls all their songs from for DDR these days (along with pop'n and an increasing number of GF/DM). Also, FYI, the song is cut in DDR...the entire intro is missing.
2. Acrostics? Acronyms? No.
3. No.
4. Synths or other electronic equipment.
But yeah DoLL is from an anime along with any other song you see by the artist Terra 
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| 9. Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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| mute lol wrote: | | Ninja N8 wrote: | | mute lol wrote: | | It's offsync. That's all you need to know. |
I love this second-hand knowledge.
If you can tell me the increment to which it is off, and what direction, ill be genuinely impressed. |
Second-hand knowledge? Not so much. It's pretty widely known that Xepher is noticeably off. As for which direction, I wouldn't know offhand because I haven't played it in a long time. If I recall correctly, it was early before the SN patch and late after the patch. And as far as the increment to which it is off, that would be extremely difficult to know exactly. Unless one had direct access to the original files on the SN software, I don't think one could say for sure. If I had to venture a guess, it would be in the neighborhood of 25 to 35 milliseconds. |
You just validated that you got the information second hand. In particular when you said "It's pretty widely known" - you could have just as easily said "I personally accounted for experiencing the off timing, as I felt it was late by xx ms".
The fact you have to guess makes me wonder if you even what a song being off sync even means. You didn't say it was early or late, you just cited off some abstract ms reference.
Also, FYI, 25-35 milliseconds isn't something that people would widely be able to recognize. Only experienced players (people at least AAing it) would note the difference - and that difference was altered (but not entirely centered) with the SN patch - but I venture to guess that you would say that piece of knowledge is pretty widely known too eh?
I wouldn't use "it's pretty widely known" for any sort of support to an argument either if I were you - it's vague at best.
I hate to bust your balls about this, but you and several others come in and talk shop about songs (which ones are off, etc.), but I wonder if you actually experience the song discrepancies first hand or just regurgitate what someone else tells you.
Also, Secret Rendezvous... everyone mentions Xepher, but Secret Rendezvous remains unfixed. |
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~unsung
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| 10. Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 3:49 am Post subject: |
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| Zoniku wrote: |
3.) Lyrics:
Existing in this place now are uncleanable lies
I wonder when it has begun
How far do
I have to go to see the light?
Stars in your eyes
Stars in your heart
You will live in shadow
of shade and commit eighth sin
Unrequited existence will turn
Everything into sin |
These are the lyrics that are sung. I'm asking for the ones which aren't sung. They're displayed for like half a second after the first verse (after "I have go to see the light?").
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| 11. Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 12:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Ninja N8 wrote: | You just validated that you got the information second hand. In particular when you said "It's pretty widely known" - you could have just as easily said "I personally accounted for experiencing the off timing, as I felt it was late by xx ms".
The fact you have to guess makes me wonder if you even what a song being off sync even means. You didn't say it was early or late, you just cited off some abstract ms reference.
Also, FYI, 25-35 milliseconds isn't something that people would widely be able to recognize. Only experienced players (people at least AAing it) would note the difference - and that difference was altered (but not entirely centered) with the SN patch - but I venture to guess that you would say that piece of knowledge is pretty widely known too eh?
I wouldn't use "it's pretty widely known" for any sort of support to an argument either if I were you - it's vague at best.
I hate to bust your balls about this, but you and several others come in and talk shop about songs (which ones are off, etc.), but I wonder if you actually experience the song discrepancies first hand or just regurgitate what someone else tells you.
Also, Secret Rendezvous... everyone mentions Xepher, but Secret Rendezvous remains unfixed. |
Ha ha, wow. OK, let's do this step by step (no pun intended, lol):
First of all, I can understand how my wording lead you to believe that I was just parroting hearsay. However, when I say that Xepher is widely known to be offsync, I mean just that...it's so blatantly offsync that any decent player can play it once and know that it's off. And guess what? I'm a decent player who has played Xepher. (Feel free to check out my Recall if you need some validation of the fact that my PA is good enough to discuss syncing discrepancies.)
Second, I deal with song syncing on a weekly basis when playing custom files on r21. Because of this, my feel for syncing has gotten pretty damn good. I can tell if a song is off by an increment as small as 2 or 3 milliseconds. I'll see my FA suffer noticeably if something is off by 5 ms or more; conversely, I'll FA the song much better after fixing that slight syncing discrepancy. Now I know there are people out there who can't discern a 25 ms syncing error. You know what those people are called? "Bad at DDR/ITG."
I'll "talk shop" all I want. I don't just spout off things that I heard from secondary sources as fact; I prefer to be able to back up my statements with firsthand experience. No regurgitation here, m'kay? The fact that I couldn't remember which direction the song was off in was only due to the fact that I haven't bothered to play the song in over a year. I don't enjoy playing poorly synced files, and that's why I've pretty much stopped playing DDR.
And finally, your Secret Rendezvous comment is silly. It's not like that's the only other DDR song that's offsync. If you want to get nit-picky about it, we could just go ahead and list every offsync DDR song. But that would take a way too long, so let's save ourselves the time! |
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| 12. Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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EDIT: Nevermind, I'm thinking Polovtsian Dances and Chorus
and Xepher's late.
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| 13. Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 2:02 pm Post subject: |
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If Konami was really awesome, they would intentionally throw the timing on sync (EXTREME version) off by a couple dozen milliseconds just to be ironic.
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| 14. Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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| mute lol wrote: | | It's offsync. That's all you need to know. |
thread winner
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| 15. Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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| ~unsung wrote: | | Zoniku wrote: |
3.) Lyrics:
Existing in this place now are uncleanable lies
I wonder when it has begun
How far do
I have to go to see the light?
Stars in your eyes
Stars in your heart
You will live in shadow
of shade and commit eighth sin
Unrequited existence will turn
Everything into sin |
These are the lyrics that are sung. I'm asking for the ones which aren't sung. They're displayed for like half a second after the first verse (after "I have go to see the light?"). |
Stars in your eyes (Stars in your eyes).
Stars in your heart (Stars in your heart).
Until now what you know does exist.
With your fingertips follow the path of the dirty dark sky.
At The end of the bright road, what is waiting for you?
To take you to happiness?
But You Don't like
The hatred that was given birth in to you that has triumph over you.
And it turned it into poison, which is killing you silent.
That's what VJ Army says. |
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| 16. Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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DDR IS MY FAVURITE GAME EVER. PS. I LOVE XEPHER.
I take that back. Xepher sucks because I've heard it only about 150+ times at the damn arcade, seeing as how everyone is always like "OMG LOOK AT THIS SWEET 10 FOOTER I CAN GET AN A ON LOL THIS SONG IS SWEET"
                 
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| 17. Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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| mute lol wrote: | | I can tell if a song is off by an increment as small as 2 or 3 milliseconds. |
I just found it interesting that I never heard anyone mentioning how things were off sync until ITG came out. Before ITG, I don't even think people knew songs were capable of being "off sync". That's why I said "secret rendezvous". I don't know whether to call the present culture more discriminating or too anal.
Also, 2 or 3 milliseconds? Unless you are AAAing on Judgment, I somehow doubt this. But hey, if you are, major props.
Usually for me to get something accurate within 2 or 3 milliseconds in simfile editing I actually have to slow the song down and then adjust the timing. Anything smaller than 5 ms is hard to hear the difference in terms of the tick (at 1.0x). Then you get a gray area as to what you may determine is the actual "center" of the beat (unless you are building a simfile to electronica).
When you correct simfiles that are off by a few milliseconds and then proceed to play them on r21, do you score a lot higher on them? I'm just curious what your rate of improvement is relative to how off the ms is. |
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| 18. Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 11:40 pm Post subject: |
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I'll add this is another of those horribly overdone songs, at least around here.
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| 19. Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 11:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Ninja N8 wrote: | | mute lol wrote: | | I can tell if a song is off by an increment as small as 2 or 3 milliseconds. |
I just found it interesting that I never heard anyone mentioning how things were off sync until ITG came out. Before ITG, I don't even think people knew songs were capable of being "off sync". That's why I said "secret rendezvous". I don't know whether to call the present culture more discriminating or too anal.
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