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0.  Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 11:58 am Post subject: Cobalt Flux or Blueshark? |
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So i'm trying to decide between which of these two pads to get. I'm not particularly predisposed to either of them at this point, and the price difference isn't a huge issue. For whichever I get i'm going to end up making the PVC pipe bar I saw a tutorial on around here somewhere, as I don't trust any pad with a built in bar besides the arcade.
On that note, I've had an afterburner for 2 and a half years that still works well but just doesn't in any way replicate the arcade to me and is pretty mushy when I hit the buttons. It's hard to flat foot on it because I have to put a little more weight on each button to mush it down. I also have a TX-4000 that I bought because I wanted a pad with a bar. The bar sucks on this thing and i just feel nervous putting my weight on it. This pad also works fine, just with the lack of an actual bracket and my size 14 foot I can pretty much stand in the corners of all 4 arrows at once and just BS songs. This was nice at first but then I realized that this actually made me worse at the arcade as I was used to a flat surface and no brackets. So i'm done doing that.
So my biggest concern would be an arcade like pad (durable, sensitive, and arcade like feeling on the feet). I see recessed arrows are a must and my options are pretty much the Cobalt flux w/ arcade mod or the barless blueshark. Now i've heard almost all great things about the blue shark but I haven't found too many opinions on it. On the other hand the Flux which used to be raved about everywhere now seems to be not as hot since V2 came out? I'm not sure but its just the vibe i'm getting.
I can't really try either of them as no one near me has one, so i'm relying on your guys experience to guide me on this one. Sorry about the long post but at least its not "which pad is better?"
I appreciate any suggestions/info. |
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DarkCore
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| 1. Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 12:10 pm Post subject: |
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Well, if you want the arcade feeling don't go with the Cobalt Flux. I play at the arcade every week and the Cobalt Flux with the arcade mod doesn't come close to feeling like a SuperNOVA, Extreme, or ITG2 dedicab's pads. The buttons on the Cobalt Flux also sink in.
From what I've heard, the Blueshark is supposed to give a good arcade feel. The buttons are also solid and they use real arcade sensors so they're also really sensitive.
I would assume that they're both the same in durability while playing on them, but if you ran over both pads with an SUV, the Cobalt Flux wouldn't be damaged, but the Blueshark would be.
I've only played on a Cobalt Flux so I can't really say for sure though; best of luck deciding. |
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| 2. Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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the blueshark is more arcadelike, but less sensitive and durable.
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| Flound3r wrote: | | the blueshark is more arcadelike, but less sensitive and durable. |
Well, you got your first point right. Your last two are disagreeable however. The Cobalt Flux will stay sensetive longer, but a new BlueShark will have better sensetivity. The sensors will wear out just like the arcade's, but they are replacable. If you treat your BlueShark like a an arcade pad, it can stay with better sensetivity. Durability is arguable on these two. Sure, SUV's will bust a BlueSark because it is much thicker. Yet, comparing the construction, the BlueShark is bound to last longer in regular gameplay, simply because the newer versions are reinforced with a dual steel frame, and it's thickness and weight.
If your looking for a good home experience, with vert good sensetivity and not too much maintenence, CF is the way to go.
On the other hand, a true arcade experience comes from the BlueShark..
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fathazam
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| 4. Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 12:53 am Post subject: |
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well my thinking has been this. I want to get the cobalt flux due to the price as of lately, but on the other hand I'm curious what problems people have been dealing with with the V2 flux. On the other hand I do want to recreate the arcade feel as much as possible with the blue shark. I think starting this thread has ended up confusing me more than anything else.
What i'm understanding is that if I keep up with maintenance the blueshark will offer me a better experience, but if I'm not going to baby it then the Cflux is my best bet?
So the arcade mod for the flux isn't even that useful or close to emulating the ITG2 dedicab feel? Cause thats what I play on normally. |
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| 5. Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 10:27 am Post subject: |
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| fathazam wrote: | | but on the other hand I'm curious what problems people have been dealing with with the V2 flux. |
Okay...
- Stripped screws and screw holes (which can be prevented by only using a screwdriver on a CF)
- Reduced sensitivity (which can easily be fixed by cleaning)
- Base cracking (caused by putting your CF on soft carpet)
And that's all I can think of.
| fathazam wrote: | | What i'm understanding is that if I keep up with maintenance the blueshark will offer me a better experience, but if I'm not going to baby it then the Cflux is my best bet? |
Well, I don't know much about the Blueshark, but the CF needs maintenance too. If you take good care of it, though, you'll only have to clean it a few times a year. If you spill stuff on it or play with dirty shoes, you'll have to clean it more often.
| fathazam wrote: | | So the arcade mod for the flux isn't even that useful or close to emulating the ITG2 dedicab feel? Cause thats what I play on normally. |
First, the feel is much closer to an ITG2 dedicab than an Extreme machine in terms of the height between the center and the arrows. No pad but an arcade pad is going to give you a 100% arcade feel, but the CF doesn't feel all that much different than an ITG2 dedicab to me. The panels have a little more traction (sometimes too much, but this can be fixed by rubbing a little chalk on your shoes and on the center panel), and you don't get that distinct "hollow" sound when you step on it (because it's not hollow  ). Sometimes the Flux will feel a little softer when you step on it than a dedicab does, but that depends on the surface you put it on (for example, I have mine on industrial carpet with a stiff carpet pad underneath and it feels pretty solid).
The Blueshark is a relatively new pad, too. I'm not saying that it's not great in the long run - I'm saying that we don't know yet. It hasn't been around long enough to stand the test of time the CF has. If you're a responsible CF owner, your CFs will last for a long time. I've had both of mine for a year and a half, and I still get AAAs on them regularly.
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| 6. Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 10:32 am Post subject: |
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I understand how this thread could confuse you. 
Arcade feel: Trust me, I play on an ITG 2 dedicated cabinet every week and my CF with the black and textured mod kit doesn't even come close to replicating the arcade experience. I find that with the Cobalt Flux the arrows are too repressed with the arcade kit, and since the panels aren't that sensitive hard streams during 11's are very difficult for me to do. I can nearly pass Delirium (Expert) on my Flux without the mod kit, but when I installed it, I didn't even make it passed the first crossover stream. I've seen videos of the Blueshark with the bar being used on 12's and the arrows looked just right like an ITG machine.
Cobalt Flux < Blueshark
Durability: The CF is the best bet for durability if you plan on running it over with a Hummer, but honestly, they'll both last the same during normal gameplay. Cobalt Fluxes can also get stripped screws and cracked baseboards.
Cobalt Flux = Blueshark
Sensitivity: The Cobalt Flux has buttons that sink in therefore it's going to take a bit more force to get them to register. A Cobalt Flux will be as sensitive as it's going to be after you've debowed the panels, and after about two months of regular gameplay as it needs to be broken in so the metal will be more flexible. The Blueshark on the other hand uses real arcade sensors so it's not going to need to be broken in. You'll just probably have to tighten or loosen the panels to get the perfect response from the arrows. However since they use real arcade sensors, they'll need to be replaced probably every two years after use on Heavy/Oni/Expert. The CF on the other hand won't need to have sensors replaced, but it would be alot harder to fix if it somehow happens to lose it's sensitivity.
Cobalt Flux < Blueshark
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| 7. Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 12:08 pm Post subject: |
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| DarkCore wrote: | | I find that with the Cobalt Flux the arrows are too repressed with the arcade kit, and since the panels aren't that sensitive hard streams during 11's are very difficult for me to do. I can nearly pass Delirium (Expert) on my Flux without the mod kit, but when I installed it, I didn't even make it passed the first crossover stream. |
I can't stress enough that this is your fault, not your CF's. I can score in the 90s on Delirium on my CFs without the bar.
| DarkCore wrote: | | Durability: The CF is the best bet for durability if you plan on running it over with a Hummer, but honestly, they'll both last the same during normal gameplay. |
Like I said before, the Blueshark hasn't been around long enough for us to know that.
| DarkCore wrote: | | Cobalt Fluxes can also get stripped screws and cracked baseboards. |
Stripped screws: only if you use a drill or are careless/irresponsible. In any case, you can fill the screw holes with toothpicks and wood filler and re-drill them (temporary fix), or drill them all the way through and secure the panels with bolts (permanent fix). Drilling in bigger screws would probably work just as well. But it's very unlikely that you'll have to do any of that if you just use a screwdriver.
Cracked baseboards: only if you put your CF on a bad surface. This is not something you'll have to worry about if you do a little reading before deciding where to put it.
| DarkCore wrote: | | Sensitivity: The Cobalt Flux has buttons that sink in therefore it's going to take a bit more force to get them to register. |
Incorrect. The distance the panel needs to move to register a step is larger than the distance needed to trigger an arcade sensor, but the sheet metal sensors are big and the panels are easy to press. I can hit hands in ITG with one or two fingers. Try doing that on an arcade pad.
| DarkCore wrote: | | The Blueshark on the other hand uses real arcade sensors so it's not going to need to be broken in. |
I've heard that arcade sensors need breaking in too, not that it matters.
| DarkCore wrote: | | However since they use real arcade sensors, they'll need to be replaced probably every two years after use on Heavy/Oni/Expert. |
But you just made that number up. For all we know, Blueshark sensors die after a year or less. I'm not saying that they do, but let's wait until we have some actual evidence before making a conclusion like that.
| DarkCore wrote: | | The CF on the other hand won't need to have sensors replaced, but it would be alot harder to fix if it somehow happens to lose it's sensitivity. |
I'm sure the Blueshark has wiring that can fail, too. But most of the time, fixing wiring in the CF (should you ever need to do it) is not difficult. CFs are simple on the inside, which makes them easy to fix if they ever do break. And almost all the time, a loss in sensitivity on a CF just means that you need to clean the sheet metal (which is a lot faster and less expensive than replacing a sensor).
| DarkCore wrote: | | Cobalt Flux < Blueshark |
Do you actually own a Blueshark?
What I've been getting at here is that the CF is an amazing pad, and it will last a long time if you treat it well. I think I've said this before, but if you don't abuse it, the CF will not hold you back. What I mean is that you won't reach a point where your CF is making it impossible for you to get any better.
Anyway, I'm going to close this post with further proof that Cobalt Fluxes rock:
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| 8. Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 12:31 pm Post subject: |
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| AA Bob wrote: | | I can't stress enough that this is your fault, not your CF's. I can score in the 90s on Delirium on my CFs without the bar. |
When I play I flat-foot and try to move as little as possible. It seems that when I hit the edge of the panel it's random if I get it to register or not. Explain to me how that's my fault. I've debowed, cleaned it and still nothing.
| AA Bob wrote: | | Like I said before, the Blueshark hasn't been around long enough for us to know that. |
I know someone who's had it for a year and still has encountered no major problems with it from regular gameplay. How long do you want to wait before making a judgement?
| AA Bob wrote: | Stripped screws: only if you use a drill or are careless/irresponsible. In any case, you can fill the screw holes with toothpicks and wood filler and re-drill them (temporary fix), or drill them all the way through and secure the panels with bolts (permanent fix). Drilling in bigger screws would probably work just as well. But it's very unlikely that you'll have to do any of that if you just use a screwdriver.
Cracked baseboards: only if you put your CF on a bad surface. This is not something you'll have to worry about if you do a little reading before deciding where to put it. |
I can't argue with you there because you're 100% correct, but these problems won't happen with the Blueshark.
| AA Bob wrote: | | Incorrect. The distance the panel needs to move to register a step is larger than the distance needed to trigger an arcade sensor, but the sheet metal sensors are big and the panels are easy to press. I can hit hands in ITG with one or two fingers. Try doing that on an arcade pad. |
You can hit them no problem at all with two fingers? That's crazy, I find that it's easier to get hands at the arcade than on my Cobalt Flux; it just hurts because they don't absorb any of the impact on dedicated cabinets.
| AA Bob wrote: | | I've heard that arcade sensors need breaking in too, not that it matters. |
I'm sure it wouldn't take more than two months to break in. I've played on a brand new SuperNOVA dedicated cabinet and the pads were hardly used and I found it way more sensitive than the 5 month old SuperNOVA pads at another arcade. I can barely hold freezes on that one.
| AA Bob wrote: | | But you just made that number up. For all we know, Blueshark sensors die after a year or less. I'm not saying that they do, but let's wait until we have some actual evidence before making a conclusion like that. |
They're arcade sensors; they shouldn't die out after a year. A guy on the Mymybox forums has had one for around a year and the sensors are still working fine.
| AA Bob wrote: | | I'm sure the Blueshark has wiring that can fail, too. But most of the time, fixing wiring in the CF (should you ever need to do it) is not difficult. CFs are simple on the inside, which makes them easy to fix if they ever do break. And almost all the time, a loss in sensitivity on a CF just means that you need to clean the sheet metal (which is a lot faster and less expensive than replacing a sensor). |
Yeah, the Blueshark wiring can fail too without a doubt, but I'm pretty sure it would take the same amount and effort to fix them on both pads. If I played on a Cobalt Flux for a year without cleaning it, I could just clean the sheet metal and it would be like brand new again?
| AA Bob wrote: | | Do you actually own a Blueshark? |
No, I own a Cobalt Flux and I'm happy to say that I'm going to get a Blueshark around Christmas time. Hopefully I'll be able to improve my scores with it.
| AA Bob wrote: | | What I've been getting at here is that the CF is an amazing pad, and it will last a long time if you treat it well. I think I've said this before, but if you don't abuse it, the CF will not hold you back. What I mean is that you won't reach a point where your CF is making it impossible for you to get any better. |
Honestly the only thing I've done to my CF was getting that one stripped screw. I've only had it for two months and I've cleaned it and treated it well, but it's still giving me pad misses. What I'm getting at here is that the Cobalt Flux is not the perfect pad that everyone makes it out to be. I was disappointed when I got mine because I got so many god damn misleading reviews on it.
| AA Bob wrote: | | Anyway, I'm going to close this post with further proof that Cobalt Fluxes rock. |
Nice AAA on Sakura, but my CF isn't giving me pad misses on easy tens that should be nines, it's the 11's and 12's on ITG that it fails on. By the way, that was on Heavy, right? |
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| 9. Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 2:15 pm Post subject: |
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Nick back and forth guys. BTW sakura on challenge is imo easier than sakura on heavy.. and I thought he had a score of a denomination of 10 so probably the 10 foot heavy, but I digress.
Well guys you've actually given me some pretty good info. Bob you've succeeded in making my life difficult in the fact that I was all set to get a blueshark, but you've managed to bring me back to that fence i've been straddling. I think it will be a blueshark in the end just due to the fact of the arcade feel being paramount to everything and from the many forums i've been to that seems to be what sets them apart (feel).
Before I order this thing though I really need to try and find someone with one of these said pads. |
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| 10. Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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Darkcore - It seems evident that you ended up with a bad apple. You can't really compare the personal experience you've had with your Flux to a Blueshark seeing as your pad apparently has some unique issues (as opposed to other CF's).
What happened to you with your CF could easily happen to someone that purchases a Blueshark - they might end up with the one crappy pad that was built alongside other amazing Bluesharks.
It's unfortunate, but inconsistencies can happen. Just my 2 cents.
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| 11. Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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My CF is fine for anything up to 10's, and I've pased all the 11's on ITG PS2 except for The Beginning and Mythology on it but I just suck at the crossovers in them. I don't know if it's all CF's that have this problem, or if it's just mine. I honestly have no idea. I try to just hit the edge of my panels with the front of my foot, or with my heel during 11's and 12's and I seem to get pad misses when I do that. If I step a bit closer though I don't get those misses. I'm wondering if I'd need to step closer in on all pads, or if it's just CF's. (Or my CF.) I'm going to email Cobalt Flux and see what they think and hopefully they'll provide me with some useful information.
Oh, and Sakura on Oni is a 9 where as Sakura on Heavy is a 10. Sakura Oni simplifies the slowdowns, and gets rid of those triplets. |
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| 12. Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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Just thought I'd throw this in, I can activate hands on my CF with one finger. I have to press a bit hard, but I can still do it. I can also hardly do Delirium, but I can tell when I'm on a pad that isn't working right. And my pad works great. I always fail because I get too tired during the final stream, not because of my great pad.
Also, Sakura Heavy is a 10, but it's stepchart screams 9 (just my two cents)
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| 13. Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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| I can activate hands with one of two fingers also, but not when I'm playing; I'd end up spraining a finger. Do you flat-foot and "not step in the center" like me? I try just hitting the edge of the panels during streams. |
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| 14. Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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The pic is of Sakura Heavy.
| DarkCore wrote: | | AA Bob wrote: | | I can't stress enough that this is your fault, not your CF's. I can score in the 90s on Delirium on my CFs without the bar. |
When I play I flat-foot and try to move as little as possible. It seems that when I hit the edge of the panel it's random if I get it to register or not. Explain to me how that's my fault. I've debowed, cleaned it and still nothing. |
Do you have the same problem at the arcade? If not, then I take it back - you're just unlucky, like Catch22 said.
| DarkCore wrote: | | AA Bob wrote: | | Like I said before, the Blueshark hasn't been around long enough for us to know that. |
I know someone who's had it for a year and still has encountered no major problems with it from regular gameplay. How long do you want to wait before making a judgement? |
I'd say wait until about 100 people have owned them for at least 15 months.
| DarkCore wrote: | | AA Bob wrote: | Stripped screws: only if you use a drill or are careless/irresponsible. In any case, you can fill the screw holes with toothpicks and wood filler and re-drill them (temporary fix), or drill them all the way through and secure the panels with bolts (permanent fix). Drilling in bigger screws would probably work just as well. But it's very unlikely that you'll have to do any of that if you just use a screwdriver.
Cracked baseboards: only if you put your CF on a bad surface. This is not something you'll have to worry about if you do a little reading before deciding where to put it. |
I can't argue with you there because you're 100% correct, but these problems won't happen with the Blueshark. |
How do you know?
| DarkCore wrote: | | You can hit them no problem at all with two fingers? That's crazy, I find that it's easier to get hands at the arcade than on my Cobalt Flux |
Huh...that sucks. I think Catch22 is right.
| DarkCore wrote: | | AA Bob wrote: | | But you just made that number up. For all we know, Blueshark sensors die after a year or less. I'm not saying that they do, but let's wait until we have some actual evidence before making a conclusion like that. |
They're arcade sensors; they shouldn't die out after a year. A guy on the Mymybox forums has had one for around a year and the sensors are still working fine. |
Again, though, that's not enough evidence, and it doesn't change the fact that you made the 2-year figure up.
| DarkCore wrote: | | Yeah, the Blueshark wiring can fail too without a doubt, but I'm pretty sure it would take the same amount and effort to fix them on both pads. |
I think you would have to know a lot about what's inside a Blueshark to make that statement.
| DarkCore wrote: | | If I played on a Cobalt Flux for a year without cleaning it, I could just clean the sheet metal and it would be like brand new again? |
Yes.
| DarkCore wrote: | | AA Bob wrote: | | Do you actually own a Blueshark? |
No, I own a Cobalt Flux and I'm happy to say that I'm going to get a Blueshark around Christmas time. Hopefully I'll be able to improve my scores with it. |
That's pretty much my point. You have been going around these boards telling everybody that CF < Blueshark, but you are basing your CF opinion on a defective CF, and your Blueshark opinion solely on the accounts of others. Yet you have been asserting your opinion as if you have a great deal of experience with both pads.
| DarkCore wrote: | | AA Bob wrote: | | What I've been getting at here is that the CF is an amazing pad, and it will last a long time if you treat it well. I think I've said this before, but if you don't abuse it, the CF will not hold you back. What I mean is that you won't reach a point where your CF is making it impossible for you to get any better. |
Honestly the only thing I've done to my CF was getting that one stripped screw. I've only had it for two months and I've cleaned it and treated it well, but it's still giving me pad misses. What I'm getting at here is that the Cobalt Flux is not the perfect pad that everyone makes it out to be. I was disappointed when I got mine because I got so many god damn misleading reviews on it. |
Catch22's post.
| DarkCore wrote: | | AA Bob wrote: | | Anyway, I'm going to close this post with further proof that Cobalt Fluxes rock. |
Nice AAA on Sakura, but my CF isn't giving me pad misses on easy tens that should be nines, it's the 11's and 12's on ITG that it fails on. By the way, that was on Heavy, right? |
Yes. And as far as 12s go...
No bar, and the non-combo steps were all my fault. Also, I play flat-footed and try to minimize movement as much as possible.
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DarkCore
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| 15. Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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| AA Bob wrote: | | Do you have the same problem at the arcade? If not, then I take it back - you're just unlucky, like Catch22 said. |
I don't have the same problem at the arcade. Hell, I didn't have this problem on my modded softpads when they were at their peak sensitivity.
| AA Bob wrote: | | How do you know? |
Don't Bluesharks have metal bases covered with some kind of grip? If so, it goes without saying that they aren't going to crack.
| AA Bob wrote: | | Again, though, that's not enough evidence, and it doesn't change the fact that you made the 2-year figure up. |
Real arcade sensors are supposed to be sensitive for two years during regular gameplay from what I've heard, and Mymybox uses real arcade sensors so I assume that they should last the same, correct?
| AA Bob wrote: | | I think you would have to know a lot about what's inside a Blueshark to make that statement. |
That's true, but that's why I said that I was pretty sure rather than just sure.
| AA Bob wrote: | | That's pretty much my point. You have been going around these boards telling everybody that CF < Blueshark, but you are basing your CF opinion on a defective CF, and your Blueshark opinion solely on the accounts of others. Yet you have been asserting your opinion as if you have a great deal of experience with both pads. |
Yeah, that's true. I've been recommending the Blueshark because my Cobalt Flux isn't as great as everyone was saying that they're CF was. Since my CF is apparently defective I guess my reveiws on all the CF's don't really matter. But your right, I shouldn't say the Blueshark is better than the CF unless I've played on both. Once I get one for Christmas I'll see if my assumptions are correct.
Anyway what can I do with my Cobalt Flux since it's defective? Would Cobalt Flux exchange it for a non-defective one do you think?
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| 16. Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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My friend got a cobalt a couple months ago, and I really don't like it. I think his is one that they made at the end of the day or something, cause it's not very good. I constantly get ghost steps on it. One of the arrows sticks. And the panel graphics slide around.
Although I have never played on a blueshark, I would personaly prefer it over the cobalt. I like it cause supposedly it's got a great arcade feel and it uses arcade sensors, and I like to have a bar. And unlike tx bars, blueshark's bar is supposed to hold up fine... AND I think the blueshark looks better 
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fathazam
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| 17. Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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You guys are wonderful.....
at making my life more difficult.
I ought to just tell my girlfriend to pick one out and save myself the trouble. Lol So they're both good pads. Well maybe i've shifted back to a cobalt flux, the better price is appealing along with what i've heard about their customer service. So the question I have now, arcade mod or no arcade mod? Does it bring the experience closer to an arcade? I've heard that it isn't just like the arcade but I guess i'm asking whether it helps in some way in recreating the feel? Bob's opinion on this helped alot and I'm curious if anyone feels the same. What he said pretty much emulates what I would like.. close to ITG2 dedi but doesn't have to be perfect. I'll be playing on a basment concrete floor with like 1/8 inch not even there carpet underneath. What is the difference between the two types of arcade mods and which one do you guys recommend?
BTW I appreciate all the debating.. really brings up all the issues i've been wondering. Nice score on the CFlux on tell. I just want to see some 13 footer pics. Was that ps2 itg? or PC?
On a side note my gf's dad works at a steel plant and he saw a PIU machine today and we got to talking and he said he'd make me a bar made out of steel for the pad that would go on a base via some flanges (free of charge). |
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fathazam
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Joined: 30 May 2006
Location: Riverview, Michigan |
| 18. Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 1:46 am Post subject: |
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| ehhh. I gave in. I orderd the Cflux with the arcade black and textured mod. In the end I just had more faith in the flux due to the large number of people using it. In a year if the bluesharks are still holding up i'd be more than willing to buy one. But right now I wanted to go with what I know. I appreciate all the help guys. You've been great. Now I just need to wait for this darn thing. |
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DarkCore
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Joined: 28 Jul 2006
Location: Ontario, Canada |
| 19. Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 9:07 am Post subject: |
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Even though you already purchased the Cobalt Flux, I'll answer your questions anyway.
| fathazam wrote: | | ...at making my life more difficult. |
Sorry.
| fathazam wrote: | | So the question I have now, arcade mod or no arcade mod? Does it bring the experience closer to an arcade? I've heard that it isn't just like the arcade but I guess i'm asking whether it helps in some way in recreating the feel? Bob's opinion on this helped alot and I'm curious if anyone feels the same. What he said pretty much emulates what I would like.. close to ITG2 dedi but doesn't have to be perfect. |
Meh, I prefer playing without the arcade mod because I find it's easier to move around on during 11's and 12's and I don't trip over brackets. Honestly I have no idea how AA Bob can truly say that it's close to an ITG2 dedicated cabinet. Trust me, I play on an ITG dedicab every week, and I can easily move around during 11's and if I miss an arrow or 60 in V^2 it's my fault. However when I play on my Cobalt Flux with the arcade mod I find it's really hard to move around on because I'm so used to the arcade's repressed arrows. Honestly, they're more repressed then a DDR Extreme's panels. I can nearly FC Charlene at the arcade but when I play with my Black and Textured mod kit on I can't make it passed the first run. What I'm saying is that an ITG dedicab feels nothing like a CF with mod kit. End of story.
| fathazam wrote: | | What is the difference between the two types of arcade mods and which one do you guys recommend? |
I've only played on a black and textured CF so I'm not much help here. Anyway from what I've heard the Clear and Smooth is just like the kind already found on all nine panels of your pad already. So when you install it, it's just two lexen panels on the corner panels and on the center panel. It will not alter the look to make it look like the arcade, so if you want to you'll just have to remove the corner and center decals. It looks a hell of a lot better in my opinion. It's also supposed to be squeeky though when you slide your foot across it. The black and textured panels go over the corner panels and the center panels however Cobalt Flux is not doing this anymore. Instead you'll get four black and textured panels and one clear which I assume is so you don't cover up their CF logo.
| fathazan wrote: | | I just want to see some 13 footer pics. |
http://youtube.com/watch?v=4D8zLXSmEos - Tri star on Pandemonium.
| fathazan wrote: | | Was that ps2 itg? or PC? |
I'm sure it was PS2.
Anyway congrats on ordering your new pad. |
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