HotN Vs. Pandy

Tyrgannus · Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 11:18 pm Post subject: HotN Vs. Pandy

Pandemonium is 330 BPM with almost constant 8th notes
(Clocks in at 660 Arrows per minute)

Hardcore of the North is only 154, but then speeds up to 169 with frequent 16ths and 24th trills
(Clocks in at the fastest part 676 APM and 1014APM for the trills.)

Pandemonium, counting jumps, has a 967 combo

Hardcore of the North, counting jumps, has a 979 combo

Pandemonium has very few mines (I didn't look this one up, but its around 40 or less)

Hardcore of the North has a good deal more (Easily 60, probably more)

Pandemonium never changes speed so it is "technically" easy to FA

Hardcore of the North has many speed changes making it much trickier to FA

Here's the question:

Why isn't HotN a 13?
Discuss.
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Synaesthesia · Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 11:25 pm Post subject:

Because HotN has zero candle steps outside outside of the very slow sections, because HotN has no section as hard as the Tell-jumps at the beginning of Pandemonium, because HotN offers several "break" places, whereas Pandy *might* have one, depending on someone's opinion, because there's nothing inherently difficult about avoiding those extra mines, and the biggest reason why it isn't a 13 is because they said it wasn't, and just about everyone agrees with them.
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J. S. Mill · Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 12:19 am Post subject: Re: HotN Vs. Pandy

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Dude...HotN was the first 12 footer I ever passed, and I STILL cant FRIGGIN PASS PANDEFRICKINMONIUM AAAAND IVE BEEN TRYING FOR FREAKIN EVER!!!!!!!!!!

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JasonTheGreater · Trick Member Joined: 27 Aug 2005

I actually think Pandemonium is relatively easy to FA on, just takes a lot of stamina. I FC-d HotN for the first time today with a 96.98. My best on Pandy is in the 94.86 range, so there actually isn't much difference between my scores there.
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Thomas Hobbes · Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2006 12:43 am Post subject: Re: HotN Vs. Pandy

Afrobolt. · Trick Member Joined: 29 Oct 2004 Location: Worcester, MA

the only reason I can think of is pandemonium seems harder idk probly cuz its just way more tireing I mean i can handle the candle steps im not saying i can FA them but I can get thru them nd hit most of them plus I think its trills are harder to FA because unless u kno them a lot of people instead of doing the actuall 4 steps they do like 6 or they do that trill part till the end of that run of arrows if u get what im saying U probly dont but whatever.

plus hardcore of the norths "trills" as u call em are just as hard and hardcore has more steps not many more tho but it has more mines and in bad places where theres a part when u jump step jump step so it can be very confusing.

Idk pande seems harder but like harcore is harder in evry aspect u coud think of except when u play it so idk just leave them how they are.
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J. S. Mill · Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2006 1:27 pm Post subject:

Did you bother to actually read the thread?
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Synaesthesia · Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2006 3:22 pm Post subject:

You already know the answer to that question, Kiba.

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Afrobolt. · Trick Member Joined: 29 Oct 2004 Location: Worcester, MA

OK what Im saying is Pandemonium expert doesnt look harder at all

but it is harder because its more tireing

its more tireing because for 1 on average its faster, 2 it doesnt give u many stops, 3 it has several long runs of 1/8th note arrows, 4 because it jackhammer steps and doublesteps into jumps.

also what i was saying is hardcores "trills" as u call em coud seem just as hard because a lot of people instead of just stepping those 4 steps they step that way till the end of that run which can make them miss the other arrows, And hardcore has mines in places where its hard to read during step jump step jump patterns

Overall what Im trying to say is Pandemonium is harder, Hardcore of the North is more confusing.
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J. S. Mill · Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 1:43 pm Post subject:

Afrobolt. · Trick Member Joined: 29 Oct 2004 Location: Worcester, MA

first of all it doesnt have 100 more jumps not even close 2nd of all how do basic 1/8th note runs even with candles that are still easy to read and easier to understand than trills at 169 even if u sped it up.
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J. S. Mill · Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 2:17 pm Post subject:

Synaesthesia · Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 5:11 pm Post subject:

I think the trick is that HotN only looks harder to play if you aren't actually capable of looking at a static chart and interpreting a song's difficulty.
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Capajoe · Trick Member Joined: 14 Sep 2005

1x HotN would be harder I guess... thats about it :/.

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Boochypa · Trick Member Joined: 26 Nov 2003 Location: VA Tech

Well if they're comfortable reading 1x, then it's not harder for them, is it?

And if it is, they're morons for making it harder by restricting themselves to 1x.
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