Euphoria: Overated or Underated?

Lobster Jesus · Trick Member Joined: 17 Jun 2004 Location: No thanks

What do you think? Me, I personally think it's underated. It's definantly harder than Pandemonium Expert (which is a 13), yet it's only given a 12.
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Lobster Jesus · Trick Member Joined: 17 Jun 2004 Location: No thanks

Actually, I think Hardcore of the North is easier. Euphoria, I sometimes can't even pass it on Keyboard (and I am a pretty good SM player). The 32nds near the middle-ish part of the song always screw me up. I honestly don't think Pandemonium is all that hard (it seems about as hard as PSMO IMO).the only really hard part is the beginning and avoiding the mines. Other than that, it's just pretty much 8th note streams.
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Lobster Jesus · Trick Member Joined: 17 Jun 2004 Location: No thanks

I have played Pandemonium on Keyboard and on foot. Honestly, I can't pass it on foot, nor can i pass Euphoria, but I can get alot farther in Pandemonium than in Euphoria.

And i think you were mislead. I was talking about Euphoria on Keyboard, not Pandemonium.
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NekoSempai~ · Trick Member Joined: 30 Nov 2002 Location: Augusta, GA

Pandemonium > Hardcore o the North > Euphoria

Basically that's how i see it. Euphoria really isn't that difficult until the very end, and even then it isn't exactly a stamina or leg killer. Hardcore of the North hits me pretty hard in the stamina department for some reason, and Pandemonium is just....Pandemonium.

Pande is just a brutal song involving alot of painsaking patterns and no real break whatsoever. I'm actually amazed someone would consider Euphoria harder than it, though that view would likely be changed if the person actually played through both songs.

...oh...and Pandemonium >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PSM Oni.
That's not even close.
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-SuperZero3 Gold- · Trick Member Joined: 26 Aug 2004 Location: Chattanooga, Tn

I had to give up on Euphoria in the slow section because I almost barfed. If I had any kind of stamina at all, I could pass it. Pandemonium isn't even close for me.

I think it teeters so close to that line between 12/13, but I just don't know If it crosses it. I'll have to play Summer and Vertex^2 to figure out which side it should really be on.
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Kyrandian · Trick Member Joined: 24 Mar 2002 Location: Portland, OR

LET ME SHOW YOU THEM · Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 12:33 pm Post subject:

According to the people at ASI..VerTex^2 makes Pandy and Summer look easy

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T-Bone.. · Trick Member Joined: 15 Oct 2004 Location: i love itg

euphoria easier to pass then pandy, but it is harder to FA. look at the scores, i think liek the highest is liek a 92, and on pandy 2 people have gotten high 94's. but then again, tyler has gotten 95

Soda · Trick Member Joined: 05 Apr 2005

Euphoria is easier on pad than on keyboard, assuming you're a good enough player to pass it on both pad and keyboard. The only hard parts are the triplet jumps after the slowdown and the step jump things. The 32nds can be easily done by, as another poster said, just vibrating the knees really fast. If you think Pandy is about as hard as PSMO, build some sort of machine that counts how many times you step. Now just try and stomp your feet 900 times in under 2 minutes. Now realize that actually playing the song is much harder than that.

Davo-1 · Basic Member Joined: 22 May 2005 Location: Tampa, FL

todays scores--euphoria - 72%
--delirium - 72%
--tell - 78%
(yesterday) --hardcore - 66%
today --Pandemonium - 3%

basically, the highest i've got on pandemonium was a 33%. Euphoria i find easy as heck i think it is the easiest 12 by far

-SuperZero3 Gold- · Trick Member Joined: 26 Aug 2004 Location: Chattanooga, Tn

Maybe for your skills, but Euphoria IS NOT the easiest twelve.

Probably Vertex is the easiest, if it wasn't so offbeat...
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hyperkurai · Basic Member Joined: 09 Jun 2005

I am not going to say euphoria is easy, because it is not for most people. As 12 steps go, i think it is one of the easier 12`s.

Hardcore of the North>Tell>Delirium>Euphoria
(I am better with faster songs, i play euphoria on x2.5)
I have more trouble with infection (expert) than with euphoria and that is only an 11. ^.^;;
I think euphoria is overdone when people say it is the hardest 12.....its not!

Yasser · Trick Member Joined: 17 Sep 2003 Location: St. Louis

yeah its really not. Euphoria is definitely easier than Hardcore, which requires a LOT of stamina. All that 32nd note garbage can be dealt with as long as you keep your feet low and tap real fast. Really if you dick around you could easily pass with a 65 percent. If you dick around with Hardcore you get a 60 and if you dick around with Pandemonium you fail.
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xxxplizit Eta · Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2005 10:16 am Post subject:

Ummm, Pandemonium is MUCH harder than PSM Oni, unless you are really unconfortable with quick crossovers. While PSM Oni has rapid crossovers, its speed isn't anywhere near Pandemonium's fast speed...or a near 300 step count difference. IMO, I think PSM Oni = The Beginning Expert in terms of difficulty sicne they both use rapid crossovers.

Thing about Euphoria is that it's a b!tch to get a high % due to those 32nd notes. It's kinda debatable whether or not it should be a 13. It could be harder than Pandemonium if you can't really move your feet that fast.
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*witty name* · Trick Member Joined: 28 Jul 2002 Location: Joliet, IL

i think people are missing the main point here, and that is the core reason why Euphoria is meant to be difficult. not speed, not stream, but DIFFICULTY TO READ.

bag...tough to read for some. the steps are pretty simple (to pass), but when you cram it down so hard that you can barely distinguish the arrows, it gets tough.

same thing with euphoria/hotn. theyre hard on 1x, but once you apply speed mods theyre no longer 12's because in essence you've just made the arrows easier to read.

now lets not get on a "mods vs. no mods" discussion here, but i think we can all agree that euphoria on 1.5x is easier to read to on 1x, and easier to read on 2x than 1x, etc.

so, with that said, its all on how you choose to play the game. if you have difficulty reading arrows, but have a lot of stamina, pandemonium will be easier because its not tough to read, its difficulty lies in stream and chaos where as euphoria's difficulty is based on cluster-fuck amounts of arrows on a single screen-shot at a time.
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Lobster Jesus · Trick Member Joined: 17 Jun 2004 Location: No thanks

Rancidfish · Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2005 4:03 pm Post subject:

VerTex was my first twelve. I passed it on my first try, 1x hallway.
Euphoria was my second twelve. I passed it on my third try, 1.5x hallway.
Tell was my third twelve. I passed it on my first try, but I held off trying it until I had gotten much better at VerTex and Euphoria.

PANDEMONIUM IS RAPE. I CAN'T COME WITHIN 10' OF THAT WITH A LONG POLE.

Seriously, I can pass VerTex, Euphoria and Tell. Hardcore of the North, I can almost pass on no jumps/no holds/no mines, because otherwise the beginning of the song kills me. Delirium is way out of my league... and Pandemonium is way out of my league's league. I mean, I'm not talking major league vs minor league here, I'm talking major league baseball vs. playing kickball in elementary school during recess. I'll try that song next time I'm playing, and I promise I'll get less than 10%.

Euphoria isn't underrated. Pandemonium really is that hard.
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