Any chance of freestyling on ITG?

TL · Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 4:33 pm Post subject:

oh yeah, if your good at freestyle i'd like to watch you. so make sure your good when i do watch you or else you will be made fun of like i do to everyone else.

JimTheFly · Staff Member Joined: 22 Jan 2002 Location: Bayonne, NJ

And people wonder why there aren't more people who get into freestyle anymore. *sigh*

TL, it's interesting... you're comparing "really good" techies to "really stupid" freestylers. Wow, no wonder one would win out over the other. Me personally, I'd much rather watch Bruce Leroy freestyle than watch some uncoordinated lout fail a 1-footer. Of course, then again, that's watching "really good" instead of "really stupid". So it works both ways. There's good FS and bad FS, just like there's good tech and bad tech. So comparing things the way you did is like comparing a shiny apple to a rotten orange. Hmmm... I wonder which one people would choose?

And you know, I've seen some bad freestyle in my time. But it sure as hell takes a lot more guts to TRY and freestyle and to do it badly than it does to stand around and ridicule it, laugh at it, make fun of it, etc.

So... Everyone sucks at freestyle now. Whereabouts would this be? Because there are places where freestyle's just not gotten big at all, some where it's dropped off, and some where it's been non-existent. And I'm guessing that we're talking about tournaments here, since that's when you can truly tell what the caliber of freestyle ability is in a given area.

Still, I get the feeling that you're already set in this mode of thinking and there really isn't going to be much that can be said or done to change that, so pretty much I think that arguing it past this will probably just be beating a dead horse. So I don't know what else to say.

However, on a slgihtly different, and much lighter topic.... Sway: That idea for Bubble Dancer is making me wonder if I should cringe, cry, bust out laughing, run in fear, or any combination thereof.

Mellow should be something interesting and different as well. As for me, I'm working on my Torn routine. Been putting the pieces together earlier and it's coming along pretty nicely, I must say. Now I just need to find out what the minimum number of steps they'll allow for an edit is. Last tourney I was in that had edits required 100 steps for an edit. :-\ Plus, I need to find out what the proper speed will be for the little visual twist I've got planned. (Now I just need to figure out when to try it out at the arcade without clueing too many people into what I'm doing. :-P )
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J. S. Mill · Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 9:28 pm Post subject:

TL · Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 8:21 am Post subject:

yeah i did make a bad little example but most freestylers these days suck really bad. unless its a comedy routine usually they are funny. so my example would be pretty legit assuming most freestylers suck, which is pretty much true today. dont get me wrong though, theres good freestylers out there, but usually those good freestylers are the only good freestylers, get what i mean?

JimTheFly · Staff Member Joined: 22 Jan 2002 Location: Bayonne, NJ

Kiba, I was just talking about normal arcade play on any given day, not a tournament. Tourneys are different matters. Two quick things (before I think I'll head out and check out ITG2.

):

1) Even around the area I'm in, which is very tech-oriented, it seems to be the freestyle routines at tourneys that get the most response. The only times I've really seen any kind of major reaction from the crowd with tech has been the HUGE tourneys for the most part (e.g.: DigitalLife back in October), but even then, Freestyle actually ended up being a bigger draw as far as the number of people who would be watching at any given time. When I was up there, I would put the crowd at at least 150-200 people easy, quite possibly more. Tech had a good draw, but not quite the same as FS (although it did end up having the much better prize, IIRC).

2) I've found, however, that the people who get, for lack of a better term, fan-ism, are tech players, especially lately. People seem to want to meet JSB, MegamanX, Yasu, etc. much more than they want to meet freestylers. I've heard a lot of people talking about wanting to meet tech players who are across the country, but in the last couple years, I've only heard one person who's really expressed an interest in wanting to meet a freestyler (and that person isn't even that much of a DDR player). So I guess the interest level for tech players seems to be a decent bit higher.

TL, I'm definitely not going to argue that, because, honestly, I've seen a lot of bad freestyle. Granted, I've seen a lot of good freestyle as well, but in a large tournament setting, it seems that the bad ones do outnumber the good ones, and the only times you seem to get the good being in the majority is when there's a smaller tourney with a number of good FSers at it (there was one around here last summer with only 6 of us in it... between the 3 of us who placed, we've won about 30 tournaments and the other three have all placed in tournaments before and I know one of them has won a tourney, and a second one I think MIGHT have.) So it's something that unfortunately is experiencing social entropy: The better players are fading out and there's not as many newer players stepping up, at least as far as I've seen. Hopefully that's something that might be different in other areas, but so far, I haven't found out much to disprove that. :-\

And now I run, been talking too long here. Later (and I'll have an ITG2 FS report later, hopefully.

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Nicx · Trick Member Joined: 07 Apr 2004 Location: hawaii

i actually have been thinking about this, my favorite songs are hip hop jam, and utopia, and i think i could pull something together for those songs.

Dark Hogosha · Trick Member Joined: 12 Feb 2002 Location: Dubuque, Iowa

I seriously hope there's some sort of freestyle revival with ITG. One of the things that drew me into DDR so much was seeing vids back in the day (almost 4 years ago) of freestyle routines by DJ 8-Ball, Clark Kent, Dan Dariram, and a few others. Yeah, with freestyle, you got a LOT of bad, but you notice a bad dancer more than a bad tech-stepper.

So yeah, if there's a freestyle revival with this, I'll go nuts. It's all I've wanted for nearly two years now. And by "freestyle", I hope it isn't taken as "handplants and kneedrops o'plenty".

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TL · Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 8:24 am Post subject:

yaeh you notice a bad dancer instead of a good techer more because of how much the bad dancer sucks so everybody makes fun of him/her and laughs in him/her face and points fingers even talks s'hit

Thomas Hobbes · Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 4:10 pm Post subject:

Haha, a lot of people try to FS on ITG. It doesn't work though. It just seems that ITG is more of a tech based game, as the people who developed/created it are tech players.

It was sort of catered to more of the tech crowd. I believe that ITG2 will fix this with the addition of Novice Mode and more songs that are "FS friendly".
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