Any reason to go from R21 to Hacked R23?

[Suko]

According to the Roxor Games support page, R23 offers the following "fixes":

* Fix inaccurate input on some kits.
* End all Custom Songs at 120 seconds, even if the music runs for longer. This prevents players from playing for longer than 120 seconds when using .ogg music with inaccurate metadata length values.
* Includes all fixes from Revision 21 and earlier.

I have R21 on my cab, and was wondering why people would even bother with installing a hacked version of R23. Is there really a benefit to this? If so, what?
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[DAVE101]

Hacked R23? You can't hack the update and then install it onto a machine.

But anyway, the main thing (like you mentioned) is it cuts off all songs at 135 seconds. This counters the .OGG length patch that allows players to play 10 minute songs if they wanted to. This is more of a benefit to arcade operators because forcing time restrictions cycles more players.

Supposidly R23 allows background animations for customs.
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If you have your own machine, don't bother with R23.

If you acquire some kinda profit from it running in a public setting, you would benefit from R23.

So... basically what Dave said.

[Kaku]

Hacked R23 is great because of the fact that you can have custom background animations.

You'd be an idiot to put R23 on a machine that is making you profit with the reasoning that people can't play super long songs. There's a good chance that there's another ITG machine somewhere else nearby and you can watch all your customers go byebye when they all go play on the other machine because it has R21.
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[EvilDave219]

R21 basically gets rid of all scripted BG changes in songs and has random ones for all of them, as well as it has some syncing issues and, from my personal experience, leads the machine to some trouble at times.

I prefer R23 since it fixes this, and is a more stable version. Plus if you know what you're doing, you can basically "patch" R23 to where you can set what the song cutoff limit is.
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[EvilDave219]

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At one of our more busier arcades around here [which now no longer exists], there was a lot of griping about players playing super long songs (>5 minutes) when R21 first came out - and that was by other players!

Interestingly enough, when someone plays on an R21 machine around here now and they are playing a song over 2:30, they are usually quite apologetic about it (unless they don't know any better or just want to be difficult).

If I owned my a publicly operated ITG machine, I would be happy to put in extended versions of songs for players (which is what some machines have now) for the cost of two songs. For the sake of other players on busy nights though, I would be firm in holding onto the R23 configurations. Long story short, its about keeping the customer majority happy.

As stated before, if you want to play really long songs, you can build your own machine with Stepmania and whore it out all you want lol. It doesn't belong in a public arena (unless maybe you are holding some sort of special event).

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[TheCosmicPope]

Cracked R23 > R21
Cracked R23 allows you to set where the song cutoff is, and it fixes background animations.

Also, in regards to long songs, the best bet with that is to hack them onto the machine and have them count as multiple rounds. That's how the machine at U of I is set up.

[Kaku]

Slayer: Nobody does that here because people here aren't douchebags. If they do that often where you live there's a problem with your community.

There's an unwritten rule in the community here that if other people are waiting, you don't play songs longer than 4 minutes. Most people play 2-2.5 minute songs while others are waiting.

I assumed your community isn't full of idiots who make other people wait 30 minutes for a game. Since it's busy here too, usually you have to wait one hour for a game but that's because there's like 10 people in line before you and they go two at a time.

EvilDave: The reason being is because let's say there's a situation where there two ITG machines side by side, where one has unlimited song length and one has a 2:20 limit (this was the case in our community a year or so ago). Someone walks in on an empty Tuesday morning and decides to play on a machine. This guy likes playing Dragonforce. Which machine does he pick? The machine he can play Dragonforce on.

On Monday-Friday mornings and afternoons arcades are relatively empty, and you'll maybe have at most 3-4 people playing a machine at a time. At times where there's one person who wants to play long songs, restricting that option means basically losing business which would have otherwise been generated.

On Friday nights, Saturdays, and Sundays, people are courteous enough to not play 4+ minute songs so it's ok.

That's why Hacked R23 with unlimited song length makes more money than regular R23 here.

edit: Same thing goes for double premium. It's the same idea - while fewer people are able to play during a high-traffic time, the amount of money made by drawing doubles players from other ITG machines offsets this loss at least in my community. I've experimented with R21, R23, cracked R23, and double premium enough on the machine that I own at our arcade to know how much money the machine pulls in on any given month with certain settings.

Also, I don't make any songs count as 2 rounds because people will just ogg length patch a song and play it as one round anyway. I've tried it before and nobody plays the 2-round songs.
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[Rynker]

tl;dr

if the machine is really busy, legit r23 makes more money

if the machine isn't, cracked r23 doesn't necessarily make more money, but it is nicer for the people who play.
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[vyhd]

^

When the core customer base is a bunch of self-absorbed whiners, I fail to see how treating them like a bunch of self-absorbed whiners is 'dickish'. A bad one, maybe, but by no means a rude one.

They own the machine, and if players are playing stupidly long songs and making others wait, that essentially costs the arcade money in lost time, fewer rounds, and fewer regulars (I don't think you'd show up too often if people were playing 20 minutes of song every round). They did retain USB songs for the people who didn't abuse it, and players still complained about that. Then the arcade reminded them that they could remove the feature entirely if the complaining kept up. The arcade was entirely in the right on that one, and it's a shame the sign's ironic sense of self-absorption was entirely lost on the player base.

Completely offtopic, but it's also completely asinine for players to complain about not being able to abuse the machines, so it balances out somewhat.