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SilasX wrote:
Wow, I'm the opposite: I find raised panels like that an extreme annoyance. Since most people actually like them, I'm guessing there's part to the strategy I'm missing. It's really hard to see subtleties like that in videos (my raised-hating feet look the same in my arcade vid) and the tutorials don't talk about that. Help?


I get that you don't like raised arrows, but other than that, I don't understand anything you said in that paragraph. E1.gif Are you saying you need help with something? What?
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crunchewy wrote:
SilasX wrote:
Wow, I'm the opposite: I find raised panels like that an extreme annoyance. Since most people actually like them, I'm guessing there's part to the strategy I'm missing. It's really hard to see subtleties like that in videos (my raised-hating feet look the same in my arcade vid) and the tutorials don't talk about that. Help?


I get that you don't like raised arrows, but other than that, I don't understand anything you said in that paragraph. E1.gif Are you saying you need help with something? What?


Oh, okay, let me try it in non-gibberish-speak then E1.gif

1) I find raised panels an annoyance, which is different from the original poster's opinion.

2) Most people like raised panels.

3) I think this means "I'm doing it wrong" when I play on raised panels.

4) I want to find out what I'm doing wrong, but it is hard to see the correct way to do it when I watch videos of people play on standard raised panels. That's because, given video resolutions, many different techniques will look the same: I have a video of me playing on raised panels (see sig), and my feet don't look that much different from others when they press the button

5) None of the DDRFreak tutorials explain in detail how to place your foot so that you get the best performance on pads with raised panels.

Make more sense now? E1.gif
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Raised arrows just help me know where my feet are. I say "just", but really they make all the difference for me. In fact, I pretty much can not play DDR at all on a flat pad. I end up moving all over the place and missing arrow after arrow. If you can play without raised (or lowered) arrows, then that's a good thing. I have never been able to do it well. Unfortunately, that they are raised, instead of lowered, and as I've gotten use to them being raised, I found it very difficult to play on the arcade machines. Actually it was both because they were lowered instead of raised, and because they weren't lowered that much. It was nearly flat. So I again ended up moving all over the place.
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crunchewy wrote:
Raised arrows just help me know where my feet are. I say "just", but really they make all the difference for me. In fact, I pretty much can not play DDR at all on a flat pad. I end up moving all over the place and missing arrow after arrow. If you can play without raised (or lowered) arrows, then that's a good thing. I have never been able to do it well. Unfortunately, that they are raised, instead of lowered, and as I've gotten use to them being raised, I found it very difficult to play on the arcade machines. Actually it was both because they were lowered instead of raised, and because they weren't lowered that much. It was nearly flat. So I again ended up moving all over the place.


I don't think you and I are that different. I also rely on the feeling in my feet to determine where they are relative to the pad; however, I can do that just fine on Red Octane 3.0 pads, which feel different (and have a slight texture) on the arrows vs. non-directional buttons. I even do doubles, as you see in my vids.

My problem with arcades is, indeed, that the buttons are lowered (I didn't distinguish in my previous post between raised and lowered arrows; I was really intending to refer to standard arcade pads, since it doesn't matter which part of the pad is higher). This makes it hard for me to reliably and easily press them -- I don't have the technique down. You can't just press with the plane of your feet parallel to the plane of the ground, as that risks getting stopped at the panel's surrounding frame.

Do you know of any tutorials for arcade-type pads that pay attention to this aspect?
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OK, I understand you now. I think I was saying the same thing in part. I also had problems with the arcade platforms both because the arrows were lowered instead of raised like my Ignition 3.0s, but also (and I didn't mention this before) because of the issue of the, in effect, raised frame around the arrow that tends to block my step a bit. I have relatively large feet (size 13 tennis shoe) and I think that exacerbates the problem. I tried removing my shoes and that may have helped with that issue, but I still couldn't figure out where my feet were because of the lowered arrows vs. raised and because the amount lowered was less then amount raised on the Ignition 3.0 pads. What I think I'd really like would be a hard platform where the arrows were raised instead of lowered, but that doesn't seem to exist.
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I guess I'm good at switching between raised arrows (Ignition) and recessed arrows (arcade, pads like BlueSharks and Afterburners), because although I play DDR at home more than I play it at the arcade, I do fine in the arcade.

Anyway, the Ignition 3.0's I've had have generally been great, with the exception of one which started to give a lot of pad crap about 6 months after I bought it. On the other two Ignitions I've had, one of which I ordered about a month ago, I can SDG stuff on Heavy consistently, and even AAA some songs on Heavy as well. I no longer have my first Ignition though, because my mom spilled a glass of water on the control box and it stopped working. My most recent Ignition has been working excellently for the time I've had it.
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686. PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2008 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I need to know for sure, is this pad worth the 80 dollars plus shipping? I've owned so many damn pads, one of them broke in less than a week of using it so I'm kind of paranoid
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This pad sucks so bad. Sure I can do 10 steps on it, but after 7 months, its ruined. The plastic is so ripped that I can see all the plastic and sensors and stuff (and I only played in socks), it ghosts like crazy, and the down arrow is pretty much nonexistant.
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I got this pad for maybe 10 months and I didn't got much problems with it. I do admit that the down arrow is sometimes an issue for me (MAX 300, TLOM), but I'm sure that it is actually me who just don't step correctly on it ( maybe because of my home *built* bar that is not correctly ajusted for me). Yet, I didn't see any censors or plastic and it stills work fine. Look like I'm lucky E15.gif .
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I just got a red octane ignition 3.0 pad. I'm a newb to ddr so other than that the only ones I've tried are the one that came with a ddr game and the flat redoctane pad, the ITG licensed pad for ps2. Anyway, the ignition pad is pretty good but it seems less sensitive than I expected, less senstive than the flat pads. Is that normal?
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I've owned a lot of Ignitions over the years. I've never had a problem with an arrow getting stuck or with ghosting - invariably, always, an arrow stops working.

I was away from DDR for about a year and just hauled my last Ignition out of storage. Despite working fine when it was put away (and nobody touching it since,) the right arrow doesn't work.

I've decided to just give in and buy a Cobalt Flux but I want to see if I can tease this pad into working while I wait for its delivery.

Has anyone ever successfully repaired a non-working arrow? What did you do?
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Hey all-

I have seen a lot of conflicting opinions on this pad, esp. on this thread. Nevertheless, I am heavily considering buying a package of two Ignition v3.0s with DDR Extreme from RedOctane for $169.99

Here is my situation:

I am a moderate player; 6-8 footers on my best days, and I've passed one or two 9 footers in my time, but not often. So far, the cheap-o pad that came with SuperNova 2 has actually held up, though I hate how much it slides and can't stand the material they use on top (you CANNOT play barefoot because it will stick to your feet).

I will be teaching a non-credit DDR class this January for those at my small college who wish to take it. Though I ABSOLUTELY plan to be very clear about DDR etiquette and play tips, including stepping lightly (especially on another person's pad!) and learning how to avoid stomping, I may end up with a few stompers, so I am anticipating some pretty heavy usage.

Classes are twice (three-to-four) times a week, and last two hours (four hours or so). I also anticipate at least one or two "field trips" to a nearby arcade.

I will be reimbursed $100 for teaching the course, so:

What is the likelihood that:

A) both pads will survive at least until the class is over?

B) one or more pads will still be remotely usable after that?

And lastly: What course of action do you recommend?
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Penguintonk wrote:
Hey all-

I have seen a lot of conflicting opinions on this pad, esp. on this thread. Nevertheless, I am heavily considering buying a package of two Ignition v3.0s with DDR Extreme from RedOctane for $169.99

Here is my situation:

I am a moderate player; 6-8 footers on my best days, and I've passed one or two 9 footers in my time, but not often. So far, the cheap-o pad that came with SuperNova 2 has actually held up, though I hate how much it slides and can't stand the material they use on top (you CANNOT play barefoot because it will stick to your feet).

I will be teaching a non-credit DDR class this January for those at my small college who wish to take it. Though I ABSOLUTELY plan to be very clear about DDR etiquette and play tips, including stepping lightly (especially on another person's pad!) and learning how to avoid stomping, I may end up with a few stompers, so I am anticipating some pretty heavy usage.

Classes are twice (three-to-four) times a week, and last two hours (four hours or so). I also anticipate at least one or two "field trips" to a nearby arcade.

I will be reimbursed $100 for teaching the course, so:

What is the likelihood that:

A) both pads will survive at least until the class is over?

B) one or more pads will still be remotely usable after that?

And lastly: What course of action do you recommend?


First, if you're going to spend the money on the RO's keep them for yourself. Just imho. I wouldn't use them for a class. They're too expensive if nothing else.

For your class:

Get plain old flat pads (like the bundled ones with games) and do the wood mod.

http://www.ddrfreak.com/library/contributor-article.php?postID=7890244 - you don't even have to go that far. Just get the wood, make sure the pads are totally flat (leave them laying out or draped carefully over the back of a chair for a few days to get the folds/wrinkles out) and then duct tape them to the wood. Make the students wear socks or something like a ballet slipper (I completely agree about the bare feet on those sticky pads - plus it's unsanitary).

I just don't see you spending MORE than you'll be making. I used to teach aerobics and that's what always ended up happening - I spent more on certifications, music, sneakers, etc. than I made and it sucked. Oh, you should be, if you're not already, certified in at least CPR - basic first aid is good too.

There's a fairly good chance that someone's either going to heavy and/or a real stomper or just want to goof off/show off and end up ruining one of your ROs.
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Did RedOctane stop selling the Ignitions? Looking on their site, all I see are the AfterBurners frown.gif. *sad*
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I noticed that too. On their website, it says "this product is no longer available." Looks like they're trying to get rid of the afterburners too - they're on sale for $150 with free shipping. Looks like they're only gonna focus on guitar hero once those go... =(

I was going to buy two of them to play at college - I live on the 3rd floor of my dorm, and I figured that these would be less annoying than the wood mod I have back at my home. Are there any soft pads nearly as durable as the ignition pad?
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I noticed that too. On their website, it says "this product is no longer available." Looks like they're trying to get rid of the afterburners too - they're on sale for $150 with free shipping. Looks like they're only gonna focus on guitar hero once those go... =(

I was going to buy two of them to play at college - I live on the 3rd floor of my dorm, and I figured that these would be less annoying than the wood mod I have back at my home. Are there any soft pads nearly as durable as the ignition pad?

http://techsourcespro.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=8086
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It's back on their website. There also selling "Ignition 5.0's" now, which looks like a regular 3.0 with support for GameCube/Wii. Links:

http://redoctane.com/Game-Controllers/DDR-Dance-Pads/Ignition-Dance-Pad-3-0-Multi-Platform-Edition


http://redoctane.com/Game-Controllers/DDR-Dance-Pads/Ignition-Dance-Pad-5-0-5-Platforms
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Noooo, they are sold out of 3.0s
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whats the difference between ignition 3.0 and 5.0? Is 5.0 a good buy for a softpad? I play at between 7 and 9 feet?
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SilasX wrote:
crunchewy wrote:
Raised arrows just help me know where my feet are. I say "just", but really they make all the difference for me. In fact, I pretty much can not play DDR at all on a flat pad. I end up moving all over the place and missing arrow after arrow. If you can play without raised (or lowered) arrows, then that's a good thing. I have never been able to do it well. Unfortunately, that they are raised, instead of lowered, and as I've gotten use to them being raised, I found it very difficult to play on the arcade machines. Actually it was both because they were lowered instead of raised, and because they weren't lowered that much. It was nearly flat. So I again ended up moving all over the place.


I don't think you and I are that different. I also rely on the feeling in my feet to determine where they are relative to the pad; however, I can do that just fine on Red Octane 3.0 pads, which feel different (and have a slight texture) on the arrows vs. non-directional buttons. I even do doubles, as you see in my vids.

My problem with arcades is, indeed, that the buttons are lowered (I didn't distinguish in my previous post between raised and lowered arrows; I was really intending to refer to standard arcade pads, since it doesn't matter which part of the pad is higher). This makes it hard for me to reliably and easily press them -- I don't have the technique down. You can't just press with the plane of your feet parallel to the plane of the ground, as that risks getting stopped at the panel's surrounding frame.

Do you know of any tutorials for arcade-type pads that pay attention to this aspect?


What I do is say the pads are where the red is and center my foot on the imaginary pad.
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