Speed Mods

[randompop101]

[randompop101]

Muty mute, if the mods were going to ban this, it would be because you started flamming and threatening people's rights to post and discuss. First of all, I'm not the best in ddr, but I do have the "RIGHT" to discuss whatever the hell I want with an open topic that doesn't limit anyone's ability to contribute. Whether people agree or not, they can say something useful. But you came here, yelling at everyone: "HEY, SUCH AND SUCH CANNOT POST ANY OPINION BECAUSE HE"S NOT THE BEST IN THE WORLD." That is exactly what you're doing. I am not telling anyone what to do, I'm discussing one single gaming aspect in ddr. You can put your speed mod on8X for all I care. Did I tell you to stop speed-modding? WHy does a simple topic like this needs to see you coming here and threatening me and putting me down? If you don't want to have a discussion, then please go away! WHy you come here and say such and such is non-sense, and "he's not good enough to contribute opinion?"
If you don't agree, then post USEFUL opinion as contribution to explain why. DO not tell people in their faces they're not eligible to discuss. This is a game, and I'd like to discuss a game, not to come to people's threads and threaten them that they should not post or their post should be banned. PLEASE COOL DOWN AND BE MORE OPEN_MINDED.

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OK - nobody is going to get into an elitist argument over this because I am putting the measuring stick out for elitism here.

I have been playing since 3rd Mix and have played at a time where speed mods (and even vivid) did not exist in normal game play - vivid was only accessible in SSR mode.

I can play 1x up to 11s and no-bar up to the same difficulty (like Xuxa for example).

Here's how it works: 1x is fine to play on, but playing with 1x and not knowing the chart, especially when you are still learning how to read arrows, can be really difficult. Speed mods aid in learning how to "read" the arrows.

DDR can be played 1x no bar with AAA results. Players have done it, it's doable, and it is an aspect of the game. However, it doesn't mean that it is the "right" way to play. No bar players, at higher skill levels, are given praise for their ability to get through charts without using the bar. The same goes for 1x players. It's a mark of skill in today's competitive circles.

If you like playing 1x, and you can do really difficult charts at 1x - that's cool, it means you are good at approaching the game that way. Same goes for no bar. However, no "good player" will give you praise though unless you are AAAing 10s using those methods - just to give you a quick heads-up.

Here's something else to consider: some of us use modifiers in addition to speed modifiers and AAA (like hidden, shuffle, flat). 1x is cool and all, but have you tried playing on 5x shuffle, or 6 option? It's another aspect of the game, and I can make my stance from this vantage point and say that people should do things this way, or they aren't really demonstrating skill at the game. In fact, I think I've worn out that soap box from standing on it for about 3 years now.

End thread.

[randompop101]

Hi, Ninja N8, thanks for your contribution of your opinion.
Your opinion is very welcome as you didn't try to "put down" people with elitism( such as "you can't talk because you can't pass...) and infringe upon people's rights to discussion. I agree with some points you made.
I just have one nit pick though, when you say "you," I suppose you're talking about a lot of 1X players around the world( DDR is more popular in Asia actually), not just me. Secondly, I suppose the definition of "good player" is very subjective. Please don't say "Good players will or will not..." because how do you define "good player," by your own definition? Maybe you're a more hardcore player and that's fine for you.
If you think I'm bad because I can't triple A a 10-footer with all "Perfects," then that's good for you and it means you're very very good.

To All Readers:
Since I started this "open" discussion thread, I would not like to see posters of a different opinion being bullied. Everyone of any level should be able to contribute to the topic, as long as their contribution does not affect people's rights and feeling to post.

[ʎɐb sı ʞ01ɹǝɥs]

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You can lead a horse to water...

[melink14]

Not to support the juvenile tactics of some people, but the concept of having a certain skill level to critique something is valid.

If I went to a hospital and started giving tips to surgeons because "I've watched a lot of ER." I hope they kick me the hell out.

Does that apply to opinions about 1x? Not in general. But at the point where you're giving advice, one has to look at your credentials.

That doesn't mean you should be silenced though. This isn't a hospital, lives aren't at risk; but people should be expected to use your credentials when they evaluate your opinion.

Maybe beginning players can get something from your advice since you're "higher" than them, but at the same time if a player who has reached even higher levels contradicts you, people probably won't give you much credence.

To go back to hospitals: I know nothing about medicine, so if a student doctor gives me advice I'll take it, but if the head surgeon comes and says that's wrong, I'm beginning to have my doubts.

Finally, I agree completely with the ninja guy. 1x no bar was a choice I made since it seemed like an interesting under looked aspect of the game. I don't need it as a crutch and it certainly doesn't need to be glorified with dubious claims. If I drop a round in a tournament, it's not because I was using 1x and they were using 2x, it's because I'm not good enough and I should become better.

You either play DDR or you don't. The rest are just inconsequential details.

[randompop101]

Melink, good point, and I wouldn't be so stupid as to give advice to doctors, you can just trust me on that. For this "particular" discussion about "benefits and practices of using 1X," I really think even a beginner can talk about it. I'm giving my opinion, and in no way did I try to force people into conforming. It's just that when some juveniles start to come here and threaten people's eligibility to post by being "elitist," then that becomes a problem, not only for me but also for the overall well-being of the forum. If I say you guys suck because of speed-modding, then that is a problem. But if I state my opinion and leaves room for people's opinion, that is DISCUSSION. I have just told everybody my credentials, whether they think it's good enough or not does not take away the validity of my opinion. More hardcore players can certainly agree or disagree with better explaination.
Melink, I hope you understand what has been going on lately in this thread.

[Travelsonic]

[BAGGER VANCE]

**sigh**

speed mods have been in the game since DDR MAX. DDR max hit japanese arcades way back in october 2001. I believe any song/chart in a mix with speed mods, that speed mods should not be considered cheating. For example, if you play B4U on DDR extreme, it's not cheating to use speed mods. But playing a song that was never on the newer mixes, such as smoke, then playing it on stepmania would be cheating. Playing bag with speed mods is in no way cheating. It was made on a mix with speed mods, for christ's sake.

Just stop the speed mod bickering. They're in the game to make arrows easier to distinguish.

[melink14]

[Popcorn]

I say do what your comfortable to.

I play with speed mods because I just cannot read a ton of arrows scrunched up into one section of the screen, so I use the speed mods to spread them out a bit.

I kind of see it comparable to books. I'd rather read slightly bigger text than smaller text which would make my eyes hurt/lose my place is easily (that's why I hate most dictionaries).

As an example...
1x Speed Mod
2x Speed Mod

Whatever anyone else does, that's how they play the game. If you don't like it, why not pay for there next game and tell them how to play?

[12]

I see speed mods as more of an interface customization. If I had to fight the interface to play the game, I probably wouldn't play.

There are plenty of songs I can physically perform, but there's no way I can read them at 1x. That's just annoying--not fun.

[HeavyD2]

I've always thought DDR was supposed to test your physical ability to step on the arrows. Yes, the early mixes did not have speed mods or even Vivid. But as they introduced harder and harder songs, they also realized that they can get mighty hard to read at the scroll speed used in the earlier mixes, so they created these "speed mods" that allow you to adjust the rate of scroll to space the arrows farther apart and make them easier to read. To me, the difficulty of reading on 1x was a problem with the earlier mixes which was fixed in later ones.

So I don't think using speed mods makes your score any less legit. What I do think, though, is that bag is overrated by 2 feet because of this. If it were me I'd make bag default on 3x and rate it 8!

Besides making arrows easier to read, speed mods also improve my PA even on songs so easy that anyone can read them on 1x. The one AAA I have at the arcade is Dam Dariram on Light, and that was done on 1.5x.

[pleasedon'thurtme]

I guess using speed modifiers for Dance Dance Revolution or any other similar games (In The Groove, Pump It Up, etc.) is like using a calculator (other than one's brain ) for mathematics. For both, I like the idea of a more natural approach, but that is just me. If speed modifiers decrease the difficulty of the steps (I thought speeding up the steps would be tougher at least for beginners) then it is understandable why using them would be considered less impressive -- there is a reason custom modules decrease score on SuperNOVA 2 Hyper Master Mode, you know. As I may have mentioned before, it is just like using the bar -- sure, it is less impressive than performing the song naturally, but it is okay if some people feel more comfortable with aides/handicaps/whatever appropriate word fits here. You know, I guess it is just like hiking with a walking stick -- it might seem more impressive without it, but using one is fine also.
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[DJX]

Speed mods are an interface option. Playing on 1x doesn't actually teach you to read the arrows better, it just teaches you to read arrows better on 1x. If you try to go from reading everything on 1x to reading everything on 3x, you'll find that you have to learn a different type of reading skill (processing the arrows faster as opposed to properly determining their order).

Personally, I think songs should be rated to assume people will modify them as they find it comfortable (e.g. Bag should not be rated a 10 just because it is very hard to read at 1x). As long as the changing the speed modifier doesn't change how you are scored, the game is effectively supporting this concept. If you choose to challenge yourself by selecting a speed modifier that makes the song more difficult to read, that is no different than selecting a modifier like hidden or reverse to do the same thing.
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[ライス]

If playing on beatmania with hi-speed is okay so.. why not ddr?
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[littlekev0]

We are all individuals and play with our own unique style. I don't judge anyone based on how they play, its up to that person. I enjoy watching people play how they want to, and I also enjoy playing how I want to as well. I began playing back around february, and never used speed mods until this summer when I saw people using them. I only use 1.5, but it did make a difference on my progress. I can pass 9's now, some 10's and I feel thats great because some people tell me it took them longer to get to where i'm at. I only use the bar occasionally, when I get tired, but I mostly play at home without one, so thats what i'm used to. To each their own!

[yukihime]

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