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mequetrefe413 Trick Member
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680. Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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Wolfman Jake wrote: | mequetrefe413, you do realize that none of those songs are actually on the disc, as in there is absolutely NO audio data. They only exist as a part of a string of text known as the "Master List" that simply names all songs currently in or to be included in future DDR releases. |
That would semi explain it, but what about the "TOP SECRET" folder on Information? What is that about? |
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ddeeaallzz Basic Member
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681. Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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I hadn't realized that DDR X launched at $30 instead of the typical $40. Now there's an improvement we can all agree on... |
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Pie~ Trick Member
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682. Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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mequetrefe413 wrote: | Wolfman Jake wrote: | mequetrefe413, you do realize that none of those songs are actually on the disc, as in there is absolutely NO audio data. They only exist as a part of a string of text known as the "Master List" that simply names all songs currently in or to be included in future DDR releases. |
That would semi explain it, but what about the "TOP SECRET" folder on Information? What is that about? |
It could be a while to explain it...
Remember we didn't even know the PRIZE module's purpose until SN2's Japanese release . _________________
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koffan2 Trick Member
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683. Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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violently average wrote: | Reenee wrote: | The bar was set at EXTREME 2. |
Sorry, but the bar for songs, at least, was set at EXTREME 1. |
I really hope you are talking about the arcade versions. No offense, but if you were talking about the US version.... well, I wouldn't know what to say. And it's not SO LAUGHABLY WRONG that the bar was set at EX2. GREAT exclusive licenses, GREAT AC songs, GREAT new KOs... Although most of them were from EX AC, EX2 delivered most of the best EX AC songs.
Aside from that, I'm pretty sure Reenee meant that EX2 set the bar in terms of home versions.
X is good, and I'm having fun with it, but if they really want to do well with these things, they'll get a lot more fan input AND good casual songs... No matter what anyone says, there ARE good mainstream songs that would be suitable for DDR. Honestly (nobody kill me for thinking this), some mainstream R&B artists have gone the dance music route and made some good DDR-able songs. X doesn't really seem to live up to the fan or casual standards they set in EX2 or even SN1 and SN2 (although personally I like it better than either SN1 or 2), but it's possible to reach (maybe even surpass?) the EX2 bar. _________________
Blind Justice, Bloody Tears, Freedom, Pluto, Poseidon, and Pink Rose for DDR X CS! 1 down, 5 to go. |
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justoneuncle Trick Member
Joined: 27 Aug 2002 Location: Syracuse, NY |
684. Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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Reenee wrote: |
-Unusual inconsistencies. There's a typo in one of the Information Mode entries. |
CLEARLY THIS MAKES X THE WORST GAME EVER. MOVE OVER E.T.
You're an idiot. Point blank. Four of your "points" involve shock arrows. That's fine, but their charts are easy to avoid. The announcer has the worst lines ever? Have you played DDR before? The announcer is always cheesy unless you consider the Extreme announcer yelling "WOOOOOOOOOHOOOOO" intellectual. Nothing else you mention is worth commenting on. Yeah, Wave would be nice but overall how much are those mods really used? SN2 JP didn't have it and nobody really seemed to notice.
What would make DDR X a more complete product? More like the arcade game? The one that isn't released yet? Yeah, I wish this game was more like an unreleased arcade game too. People complained about popular licenses with boring 6-foot charts in SN2. We'll that seems to be fixed. People wanted an extra stage system that more resembles the arcade. We got that. How about the fact that all of the DDR X songs seen at the beta are in the game? How about the people that felt like they were missing out on the Xbox artists by only owning a PS2? We get songs by OR-If-IS, Alien Six and Junk Circuit. People cried because they didn't get Pluto, Pluto Relinquish, Blind Justice, Venus, and Soul Crash. They are all here. But of course, Konami sucks and doesn't listen.
I beg everybody who has read this far to praise the higher power you personally believe in that Reenee is not in charge at Konami. If Reenee was in charge of the PS2 games, we wouldn't necessarily have good songs and good charts, but WE SURE WOULD HAVE WAVE AND SHOCK ARROWS ON 8TH NOTES!!!
Pie~ is right. DDR is about music and charts. Everything else is secondary. From what I've played and seen, things seem pretty good (other than Horatio oni...ouch). I like Extreme 2. It was a very good mix. It has fun songs and fun charts and is praised as the greatest thing God ever created. DDR X has fun songs and fun charts (and consists of mostly new material) but sucks balls. Somebody needs to take an intro to Logic course...and a course in how to shut the fuck up. _________________
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Reenee Trick Member
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685. Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | You're an idiot. Point blank. |
VERY GOOD SIR WE SHALL HAVE AT IT
Quote: | That's fine, but their charts are easy to avoid. |
Yes, let's totally sideline any chart with a Shock Arrow gimmick in there even though Konami was touting this BRAND NEW FEATURE NEVER BEEN SEEN IN DDR BEFORE and poops out a half-assed effort with them. Better news: We can't even put them in ourselves!
Quote: | The announcer has the worst lines ever? Have you played DDR before? The announcer is always cheesy unless you consider the Extreme announcer yelling "WOOOOOOOOOHOOOOO" intellectual. |
I never had a problem with the MAXTREME announcer, the Eurobitch (bless her soul), the scads of announcers on the Ultramixes, and pre-MAX announcers. Yes, they ALL say corny stuff (barring clever easter eggs on the Ultramixes) but the X announcer was the FIRST one to have EVER thrown me off while playing. His implementation was awful. I've NEVER turned off an announcer till these terrible twos came around. The newbies can think he's fun after the first time while some better players could potentially, say, consider him as audible performance feedback because they're too focused to look away to the lifebar.
Quote: | Yeah, Wave would be nice but overall how much are those mods really used? SN2 JP didn't have it and nobody really seemed to notice. |
I and I'm sure many, MANY others expect the same features on an AC game to be there on the console version. This is an inconsistency. Wave and Brake are LEGITIMATE modifiers as they alter the scrolling note appearance just like how Hidden, Sudden, Phantom, and Stealth do.
Quote: | What would make DDR X a more complete product? More like the arcade game? The one that isn't released yet? Yeah, I wish this game was more like an unreleased arcade game too. |
The least the CS devs can do is walk down the goddamn hallway and ask what features are there. We all know how fucking pointless FC splash is but it's just a nice touch to giving your dick a tingle here and there that IIDX started it and X copied from it. Oh, and combo counter coloration too. WE ARE STAT WHORES AND WE FUCKING WANT THIS SHIT.
P.S. Where's our USB support hmm? Yeah, thought so.
Quote: | How about the people that felt like they were missing out on the Xbox artists by only owning a PS2? We get songs by OR-If-IS, Alien Six and Junk Circuit. |
Horatio's cool and all but the least Konami can do is put in the Bemani songs from those games. Doesn't have to be all at once.
Quote: | If Reenee was in charge of the PS2 games, we wouldn't necessarily have good songs and good charts, but WE SURE WOULD HAVE WAVE AND SHOCK ARROWS ON 8TH NOTES!!! |
Again, Konami was touting a new feature and they didn't even bother with it.
Quote: | DDR is about music and charts. Everything else is secondary. |
I like to assume that a decent job with Nonstop and Oni are a part of the core game seeing as it's a bit of a skill tester right there. Yes yes, there ARE Order courses but there's something more valid than that: Random All.
I don't care that I never touch Endless or * Master Mode after one time but Konami could at least make going through them more enjoyable. _________________
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Uiru Contributor
Joined: 25 Sep 2003 Location: the floating castle of Newfoundland |
686. Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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This is an anecdote post and I don't expect a single person to believe a word of it, but we were bored tonight and I went through the songlists for SN2 US and DDR X, and then Extreme 2. You might already know where this post is going. SN2 and DDR X got "mehs" all around, but nearly every song in Extreme 2 had at least one person excited for it. When I was done they actually rigged up the pad and played it, which I haven't seen these guys do in months. It appears I may have to dole out my fully unlocked save file a few more times, as the newmix guy, the 4th mix guy, even the 'lol didder' kid were getting into it.
The trick, as I mentioned before, appears to be as I mentioned earlier- a sensible mix of new and old, licenses and KOs, that aren't obvious trash. Well, other than Thuggie D. Good Extreme songs? Yes. Good Dancemania songs? Yes. Good new KOs and licenses? Surprisingly, yes.
I don't hate DDR X (as I don't have it completely unlocked yet) but I'm simply not feeling it from this game. Extreme 2 feels like DDR. I've heard DDR X compared to both Ultramix and ITG, and I can't decide which is more insulting.
~Uiru _________________
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koffan2 Trick Member
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687. Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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Reenee wrote: | DDR X is an incomplete product. Had this been worth $40, it would have been the first DDR game I've sold off immediately after unlocking everything. The only thing saving this game is the songlist and the quality stepcharts. |
*facepalm*
Yeah, because the song list and the step charts are not the biggest part of the game at all. .
Everything else you said made some sense, though. I don't have much of a problem with those things, so I'm happy with X.
Either way, the only one of those changes that really affected me was Shock Arrows. I despised the idea of mines. Hopefully they are Challenge-only and implemented better (As in, NOT like the X-Edits where they carbon copy an easy stepchart and add shock arrows, and NOT like the harder songs, except as maybe ONE gimmick song. Someone might kill me, but I don't think Horatio Oni is THAT bad..... It's just one very odd stepchart, but as long as they don't do that to a lot of songs or use that as the only way to make songs hard)
Someone here is gonna get a bit angry with the EX2 love on the X board. Hopefully one of them will be someone from Konami who can influence the song list in an EX2-ish way! _________________
Blind Justice, Bloody Tears, Freedom, Pluto, Poseidon, and Pink Rose for DDR X CS! 1 down, 5 to go.
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Reenee Trick Member
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688. Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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koffan2 wrote: | Reenee wrote: | DDR X is an incomplete product. Had this been worth $40, it would have been the first DDR game I've sold off immediately after unlocking everything. The only thing saving this game is the songlist and the quality stepcharts. |
*facepalm*
Yeah, because the song list and the step charts are not the biggest part of the game at all.
Everything else you said made some sense, though. I don't have much of a problem with those things, so I'm happy with X. |
People like to get their money's worth with as much or all of the product that they've purchased.
I really have no incentive to even touch Course Mode here. _________________
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Pie~ Trick Member
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689. Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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It's kind of funny how EX2 is so praised when I remember all the crap that was talked about it when it first came out. Not that it wasn't liked, but there was major crap-talking to be had.
"Ugh, MORE Konami Covers? And an I Will Survive one at that!"
"Sean Paul in DDR? These games get more American by the second!"
"Upswing mix? Where the hell is the original?"
"Make A Difference and Saturday Night Love are two of the gayest DDR songs ever"
"You HAVE to play Dance Master Mode? Ugh!"
"Where is Matsuri Japan FNSM, My Summer Love (Tommy's Love Mix), and Still in my Heart MOMO mix?"
"They included Sakura, PS, and PSM, but they didn't put in DDR or bag?!"
"Why isn't there an Extra Stage system!"
"PS and PSM cost way too much in the shop!"
"Injection of Love doesn't have the lyrics? What's the point of putting it in?!"
"They should have put in Oh Nick Please Not So Quick instead of In the Heat of the Night"
"MORE Paula Terry? Eww..."
"What's with these English banners?"
"They f-ed up Sakura's video!"
*months after EX2's release*
"What the Hell? Why didn't WE get iFuturelist and DoLL?"
"What's with the Japanese getting a bunch more Xbox songs?"
"Why couldn't they give US HEAVEN IS A PLACE ON EARTH (German Election Mix)?"
"They got vocals in their Injection of Love?!"
"They got the Max 300 remix AND a new oni chart, WTF!"
*A year after EX2's release*
"Where's the video for iFuturelist?!"
Aww...how times change! _________________
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Nightime Trick Member
Joined: 28 Jan 2002 Location: anywhere else |
690. Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 11:33 pm Post subject: |
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GRR.
I still have yet to pick up X, though I fully intend to this weekend. I'm still curious to see if anybody's played the X-Mixes, or comparisons between old difficulty levels and new ones - or if there's *any* 19/20 charts in it, at all; and if so, what could possibly set them above Pluto Relinquish.
Any most favorite (new) songs? Least favorites? o.O |
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violently average Trick Member
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691. Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 6:18 am Post subject: |
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Pie~ wrote: | *a giant post that puts Reenee's points to shame* |
THANK YOU.
See? EX2 had just as many flaws as X, or SN or SN2 or anything else for that matter. I bet that if you tried hard enough, you could find out that X is actually a quality product and that you're dwelling too much on the past. If you hate anything since EX2, why not play that exclusively?
@Nightime: If you don't want spoilers, don't read this: (Sorry, I'm still obsessed with X secrecy, XP) Quote: | Sorry, no 19s or 20s. The closest is a few 18s: Trigger, which should be called Fascination Maxx ~sonic coll version~ or something along those lines, and Pluto Relinquish, which I'm pretty sure everyone's seen. However, there are 16s and 17s that are still a force to be rekoned with, such as Saber Wing Remix and Horatio Oni. As for favourites, I like Why Not, Blind Justice, Here It Goes Again, Xmix5, Party Lights, Inspiration, Bloody Tears and Sabre Wing, as well as both On The's.
But we still didn't get the specials, so that's a minus.
And avoid Voltum Stellarum, Taj He Spitz, Time Hollow, Wine Red, and ESPECIALLY Big Girls Don't Cry like the plague. |
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koffan2 Trick Member
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692. Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 8:25 am Post subject: |
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violently average wrote: | Pie~ wrote: | *a giant post that puts Reenee's points to shame* |
THANK YOU.
See? EX2 had just as many flaws as X, or SN or SN2 or anything else for that matter. I bet that if you tried hard enough, you could find out that X is actually a quality product and that you're dwelling too much on the past. If you hate anything since EX2, why not play that exclusively? |
Bold point is wrong (well, kinda, the flaws aren't as serious except for FC = AA). Everything else is good. EX2 really was a Godsend compared to the other 3 games despite its flaws, but that's not to say the other 3 games are bad. X is lower quality, but it's still quality.
SN1 was really the bigger disappointment. After SN2, they didn't have the Dancemania deal, so it was harder to get the licenses the fans remember and love. SN1 had that, and they didn't deliver much at all. SN2 and X are pretty good for not having those (I assume X licensed them directly from the creators rather than Dancemania?). _________________
Blind Justice, Bloody Tears, Freedom, Pluto, Poseidon, and Pink Rose for DDR X CS! 1 down, 5 to go. |
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Mike R. Trick Member
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693. Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 10:44 am Post subject: |
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For those of you who care, here are 3 more Universe 3 songs. Dummy by RAM, EtoSharu by oo39.com, and Dirty Digital by kors k.
Pic _________________
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Shirogitsune Basic Member
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694. Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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Well, I've been into DDR since DDRMAX2 CS, but now the excitement's faded for me. I now find MAX2 to be nostalgic, Extreme to be the typical yet enjoyable oddball, Extreme 2 to be the zenith of DDR CS quality (not just in songs and stepcharts), Supernova to be a futuristic glimpse of what's to come in the next age of DDR, Supernova 2 to expand upon that glimpse, and now X.
I've sadly (or happily) been exposed to IIDX JP CS between SN2 and X, and the contrast in quality is astounding. Not just to X, but to many of the other CS DDR games the US got. Why does IIDX have so much more quality to its games than DDR when IIDX is most definitely not as well known (and probably not as widely played judging from that)? Is the US department of Konami really that apathetic? They've been trying to get new people into the game since when? Don't we have enough DDR games that were aimed to get new people into it already? Or is it just another excuse to keep recycling games with music most of the actual (long term) DDR community isn't going to play more than once? X is the same kind of disappointment I've expected since Supernova, the same game recycled with almost nothing extra, nothing anywhere near what quality Bemani games are capable of reaching.
tl;dr last time I'm ever going near an American DDR mix, k goin' back to IIDX and ITG, sorry if I generalized too much, but I'm feeling bitter and moderately frustrated. Happy 10th anniversary DDR and goodbye. |
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koffan2 Trick Member
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695. Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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Yay, I passed Horatio Expert . My 2.5th 10 (well, it's 15 now, which is equivalent of an easier 10) after PS and Sakura, which I passed when it was still a 10. _________________
Blind Justice, Bloody Tears, Freedom, Pluto, Poseidon, and Pink Rose for DDR X CS! 1 down, 5 to go. |
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Syncopation Trick Member
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696. Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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I think that DDR X is much better in the Double mode as opposed to the Single mode. Not everyone may have two dance mats, but turn off autofail and at least look at the Doubles stepcharts. I've noticed just a few good charts just from the initial song set...
Playa Expert - they are fun steps, although certainly not too hard, and someone who is just getting into Expert double could learn a few advanced techniques (crossing from 1P to 2P, crossing over in the middle of 1P and 2P) at a slower speed with these steps.
Tracers (4Beat Remix) - lots of stream and good use of both sides of the stage, fun steps that go well with the music, and could be challenging for those who don't read a lot of stream in Double mode all that well since the steps go several measures in a row before a change in rhythm occurs.
Dream Machine - lots of offbeat sixteenths in the middle of this stepchart plus lots of stage crossing, I'd think that's also a decent challenge while still avoiding BS steps.
XMix 1 (Midnight Dawn) - challenging steps across both sides of the stage involving several three orange-purple-blue (red-blue-yellow) ITG style patterns, plus there is one speed up about 2/3 through the song, along a couple of stops.
To me, it looks like DDR X was made to be a new type of DDR--familiar steps and song select interface, but with a bit of ITG style techno mixed with a bit of Flow: Urban Dance Uprising R&B/Hip Hop inspired music and graphics. Add to that, the shock arrows were also clearly inspired by ITG's mines, but were used in a much better way (all four arrows and on the beat) as opposed to ITG's splattering of mines all over the arrows in some of their Expert charts.
(My only real issue with the game is still the announcer, but turning Voice to off limits the announcer to song select screens and results screens.) |
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Zonic Trick Member
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697. Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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Julio's story is quite interesting. See, each "mission" is a quiz. For example, the 1st question is "What is the name of this game? A.) DanceDanceRevolution X B.) DanceDanceRevolution Supernova 3 C.) DanceDanceRevolution Extreme 3" & then you "choose" your answer by getting that grade after playing a song (AA & AAA count as A). 2nd question was about the year DDR was 1st released & the 3rd is about the name of DDR in Europe (which is where Gus is from!). That is really cool. If I feel like it, I'll post all the questions. |
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GERARDAMO Trick Member
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698. Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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koffan2 wrote: |
SN1 was really the bigger disappointment. After SN2, they didn't have the Dancemania deal, so it was harder to get the licenses the fans remember and love. SN1 had that, and they didn't deliver much at all. SN2 and X are pretty good for not having those (I assume X licensed them directly from the creators rather than Dancemania?). |
IIRC, there was no deal with Toshiba-EMI in SuperNOVA. (Hence the lack of Dancemania ads in the demo mode and no CD Titles.) Konami went out of there way to license things that appeared in Dancemania, but we got things like Surrender and Doesn't Really Matter because they weren't limited to Dancemania anymore. (One could argue that they did that with The Centre Of The Heart, but... Eh.)
EDIT: Oh, also, to everyone doggy about how there's not enough old EX stuff in X, seriously, drop the 20 bucks on Swap Magic and get a copy of Ex JP. If you don't want to run torrents, I'm sure you know someone who has it, or if you really want it that badly, paying the import fee should be no problem for you. X has everything from the beta, and who knows which of the licenses might potentially be appearing in it. Oh, and ask yourself, are you REALLY going to be spending the majority of time playing this game in Course Mode? Maybe you should just use Order since there's a good chance you can make a lot of the official courses once X AC comes out. And to those who think X isn't a good game because it doesn't have Wave, I would have prefered to play Ex2 with Solo, thank you very much.
Also, to those complaining, insert typical "If you don't like CS mix, go play AC the way DDR is supposed to be played anyway" statement here. _________________
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Nightime Trick Member
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699. Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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violently average wrote: |
@Nightime: If you don't want spoilers, don't read this: (Sorry, I'm still obsessed with X secrecy, XP) Quote: | Sorry, no 19s or 20s. The closest is a few 18s: Trigger, which should be called Fascination Maxx ~sonic coll version~ or something along those lines, and Pluto Relinquish, which I'm pretty sure everyone's seen. However, there are 16s and 17s that are still a force to be rekoned with, such as Saber Wing Remix and Horatio Oni. As for favourites, I like Why Not, Blind Justice, Here It Goes Again, Xmix5, Party Lights, Inspiration, Bloody Tears and Sabre Wing, as well as both On The's.
But we still didn't get the specials, so that's a minus.
And avoid Voltum Stellarum, Taj He Spitz, Time Hollow, Wine Red, and ESPECIALLY Big Girls Don't Cry like the plague. |
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