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0. PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2008 6:49 am    Post subject: ITG for PS2 for beginner? Reply with quote

How is this game for a beginner, Ive never played DDR or ITG.?? Seen a bundle(game AND 2 red octance mats!) on Amazon and Target for 19.99!
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1. PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2008 7:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well there are many different songs to play on the ITG disc that you receive in the bundle. Each song has different difficulties to play on, the easiest called novice. If you play on novice then it is a beginner type difficulty. Does that answer your question?
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2. PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2008 7:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks! Yes that does answer my question. BUT would you recommend this for a beginner? Or should I go for a DDR game?
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3. PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2008 9:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm... DDR usually has licenses that the western region is familiar with. DDR runs much better on the PS2 than ITG but the latest DDR games (such as SuperNOVA 1 and 2) have really stupid unlock systems that may be hard for beginners whereas ITG has a simple "Play x amount of songs to unlock new songs" system. Oh, and it also has a full unlock code if you don't feel like unlocking all the songs one by one while DDR never had one I believe. I would recommend something such as DDRMAX2 (I think Konami rereleased this game as a Greatest Hits title). DDR MAX2 pretty much has the same easy unlock system as ITG and also has the "Beginner" difficulty for all songs in the game (except for the few "Challenge-only" songs). ITG was a game developed towards the most hardcore players but it does have the novice difficulty. You may not be familiar with the songs though.
I would say go for DDR first.
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4. PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2008 9:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I say play on DDR first because the songs there are not hard whatsoever. Also DDR's difficulties are pretty good, heavy for DDR can be pretty easy, and beginner is nice.

Pros VS Cons for ITG for Beginners:

PROS-
Playing ITG first can be good because playing something hard and getting used to it will be pretty good for the future.
Songs are unique, most sound pretty cool and would get you interested.

CONS-
If your playing the game for the very FIRST time, and you miss lots of steps, you can fail a song immediately since the ranking on there is more strict than DDR.
Some songs even on HARD is pretty "hard" to do no matter what song.

There you go, I think this is pretty much good.

Have fun playing.
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Well I started out on DDR myself, and I only discovered ITG about a year ago. I would probably have to agree that DDR would be best to start with because it is easier than ITG, but once you are able to pass heavy songs, I would go for ITG. There is so much more available to you if you play ITG.
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6. PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2008 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What? Difficulty should not play a part in your opinion, Variable. The OP is talking about a beginner - that means novice/beginner and easy/light for the most part. It doesn't matter that ITG has expert and is harder - the OP isn't starting out on expert. You can change the judgment difficulty of both ITG and DDR; that doesn't matter, either. Both games feature Event Mode as well.

All in all, though, I would recommend DDRMAX2 over ITG. The stepcharts of the easier difficulties of DDR are usually superior to ITG's. Plus, as someone mentioned, MAX2 has a simple unlock system and one of the best songlists of any DDR console game.
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7. PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2008 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oops, sorry.

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8. PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2008 7:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

YES I WOULD RECOMMEND FOR BEGINNER.

DDR mixes take forever to unlock all the songs, for ITG there are codes you can put in to unlock them all.
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9. PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for all your input. Decisions, decisions! LOL
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10. PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In The Groove. I'll tell you why.

In the novice level, it has a traffic light. (It doesn't really add much, but it's more than DDR has). It also sets to 120 BPM hallway for all songs, so you never have to worry about it going too fast to start.

In the easy-expert levels, almost every option is customizable. 1x,1.5x,2x,2.5x,3x,4x,5x,6x the music speed, or you can set it at a constant rate of 300 bpm or 450 bpm. DDR's speed mods go from 1x,1.5x,2x,3x,5x,8x. In The Groove also has different arrow skins for you to choose from that aren't shaped like rockets or butterflies. It also has over thousands of different modifier combinations for you to utilize.

In The Groove has an unlock all song option (As mentioned before). If you were to accidentally have you data deleted, or don't own a memory card, it's perfect for you. (Up, Right, Up, Right, Left, Down, Left, Down, Up, Right, Down, Left, Up, Left, Down, Right. Quite an easy code to memorize once you try it on pad.)

If you're looking for excersize, Bend Your Mind (ITG) has hands in it, even though it's only on easy....

(I'll finish this later, emergency >.<)
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11. PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 7:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OnlineV4 wrote:
In The Groove. I'll tell you why.

In the novice level, it has a traffic light. (It doesn't really add much, but it's more than DDR has). It also sets to 120 BPM hallway for all songs, so you never have to worry about it going too fast to start.



That wasn't implemented until ITG 2 Arcade. It's not in ITG PS2.

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In the easy-expert levels, almost every option is customizable. 1x,1.5x,2x,2.5x,3x,4x,5x,6x the music speed, or you can set it at a constant rate of 300 bpm or 450 bpm. DDR's speed mods go from 1x,1.5x,2x,3x,5x,8x. In The Groove also has different arrow skins for you to choose from that aren't shaped like rockets or butterflies. It also has over thousands of different modifier combinations for you to utilize.


Yeah... because a beginner really needs all of those....
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12. PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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In the easy-expert levels, almost every option is customizable. 1x,1.5x,2x,2.5x,3x,4x,5x,6x the music speed, or you can set it at a constant rate of 300 bpm or 450 bpm. DDR's speed mods go from 1x,1.5x,2x,3x,5x,8x. In The Groove also has different arrow skins for you to choose from that aren't shaped like rockets or butterflies. It also has over thousands of different modifier combinations for you to utilize.


Yeah... because a beginner really needs all of those....


You're absolutely right. Who needs C-scroll mods anyway? Definitely not beginners who have never played the songs and have no clue when the stops/BPM changes are. Because we all know people who can barely play a game deal with those much better than the experts who struggle with them significantly on sight reads.

BTW this reply was sarcastic just like yours!!!
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13. PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess I should have shortened the quote a little more...

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In The Groove also has different arrow skins for you to choose from that aren't shaped like rockets or butterflies. It also has over thousands of different modifier combinations for you to utilize.


Because you know! Beginners really need to try out thousands of mod combos or care about noteskins. biggrin.gif
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14. PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Neo. I see your points. Beginners don't really need to see how well a game is put together if they're just starting. Good stepcharts, modifiers, and better gameplay isn't really necessary.

In that case, go with DDR until you get good.
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15. PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Go with ITG.....its no harder on beginner and once you start to get better there's more to progress to.

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16. PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 11:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

neoMAXCML wrote:
I guess I should have shortened the quote a little more...

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In The Groove also has different arrow skins for you to choose from that aren't shaped like rockets or butterflies. It also has over thousands of different modifier combinations for you to utilize.


Because you know! Beginners really need to try out thousands of mod combos or care about noteskins. biggrin.gif

I'm with you on this one though.
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ITG is a good game... but not on the PS2. It's not optimized very well and just runs like crap. The interface just doesn't seem very beginner friendly as well (hell... even when I first started ITG, after playing DDR for years, I was still confused with its interface). It's easier to access the mod menu in ITG than DDR (press start twice like it says. Some pads can accidentally trigger the button twice and access it) but when beginners actually do access that menu they'll just stare and go 'WTF do I do now?"

I really think DDR MAX2 is the best choice for this. The interface is very simplistic and easy to use. The unlock system is simple and some songs are more enjoyable to listen to. However, stay away from DDR SuperNOVA or SuperNOVA2. Like I said before, the unlocking process is a pain in the buttocks to even the expert players and the interface is a little too technical for beginners.

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Beginners don't really need to see how well a game is put together if they're just starting. Good stepcharts, modifiers, and better gameplay isn't really necessary.


Sorry but this only sounds like it came from an ITG fanboy. DDR is still a good game (except SuperNOVA. SN2 is pretty good... in Japan). ITG is a good game as well. They're just different. They both have their pros and cons. DDR is better for somethings, ITG is better for other things.
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neoMAXCML wrote:
ITG is a good game... but not on the PS2. It's not optimized very well and just runs like crap. The interface just doesn't seem very beginner friendly as well (hell... even when I first started ITG, after playing DDR for years, I was still confused with its interface). It's easier to access the mod menu in ITG than DDR (press start twice like it says. Some pads can accidentally trigger the button twice and access it) but when beginners actually do access that menu they'll just stare and go 'WTF do I do now?"

I really think DDR MAX2 is the best choice for this. The interface is very simplistic and easy to use. The unlock system is simple and some songs are more enjoyable to listen to. However, stay away from DDR SuperNOVA or SuperNOVA2. Like I said before, the unlocking process is a pain in the buttocks to even the expert players and the interface is a little too technical for beginners.

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Beginners don't really need to see how well a game is put together if they're just starting. Good stepcharts, modifiers, and better gameplay isn't really necessary.


Sorry but this only sounds like it came from an ITG fanboy. DDR is still a good game (except SuperNOVA. SN2 is pretty good... in Japan). ITG is a good game as well. They're just different. They both have their pros and cons. DDR is better for somethings, ITG is better for other things.


I have to agree with the "runs like crap". I've now played ITG a few times this week on PS2 and while I like the songs, the way the game is set up is really strange. The black screens in between songs - first time that happened I thought something happened to either the game or my PS2.

The trial mode is a PITA in ITG - at least for me. I have to keep exiting out after each song, then go back in to that mode. Finally, the fitness mode. I don't know if there's a special secret, unlock or what, but when I try to access that I get a "Not Present" notice on the right side of the screen - opposite where you put your weight, etc. I can put all that in, choose song or course, my memory card saves the info ... and that's it. I end up back at the main menu.

Modifiers, all that ITG does provide may at some point be a very good thing for me. In the meantime, they're just something that confuses the heck out of me. Actually, the general scoring confuses me - getting alot of B+, A, S- and S hallway metal. I understand the A, B, C stuff. But the S, hallway? Huh? Metal I'm assuming is the arrow option - I did see that in options E13.gif I don't change the beat of songs or anything like that.

DDR-wise, for a beginner? (like I still pretty much am) ... SN2 is what I started with and glad I did. I LOVE Max2 and Extreme2. But I think Max2 is really hard for someone who's never played DDR.
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