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60. PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i started playing in december of 04 and my main era was late 06-mid 2007....lately i haven't been playing as much being how my ps2 got stolen and i haven't had any money to go play, but i just got a job so i will be playing more in the near future

i plan on buying another ps2 and getting supernova or supernova 2 and ITG again
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61. PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2008 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ugh this thread is stupid.
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62. PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2008 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Funsize Tw!x wrote:
ugh this thread is stupid.
IMO


I don't know about this... but anyways the era of ddr being super popular isn't over I don't think... I think it's just where you people live or something because my local arcade has a lot of regular players and crowds all the time, an active newbie base and a really cool arcade manager ^^... Anyways to tie this up I think that it all depends on where you are but in the end never give up on the game because you never know when you'll find your proverbial home arcade.

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63. PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2008 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, well, I still say guitars have superceded dancepads.
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64. PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2008 11:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All I see these days are kids flailing on the local DDR/ITG machines. In DDR, they get to the level of passing a few 10s and maybe consistently A'ing 8s and 9s, but that's the limit. Beyond that, there's no progress in terms of skill. I haven't seen a single decent new PA/FA player emerge from my local scene almost two years. Most people I see just don't pay attention to score or great count, they're content to simply pass Max 300. The funny thing is that some of them have been playing just about as long as I have (or longer).

Talk about the potential of the "new generation" all you want, I just don't buy it. But like I said, that's how it is in my area. I'm sure it's not necessarily the case in all areas.

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65. PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2008 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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All I see these days are kids flailing on the local DDR/ITG machines. In DDR, they get to the level of passing a few 10s and maybe consistently A'ing 8s and 9s, but that's the limit. Beyond that, there's no progress in terms of skill. I haven't seen a single decent new PA/FA player emerge from my local scene almost two years. Most people I see just don't pay attention to score or great count, they're content to simply pass Max 300. The funny thing is that some of them have been playing just about as long as I have (or longer).

Talk about the potential of the "new generation" all you want, I just don't buy it. But like I said, that's how it is in my area. I'm sure it's not necessarily the case in all areas.

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To be honest, I can level with you there for the most part... The majority of the players around here are pretty much what you described but then there are quite a few dedicated PA'ers and oni players, we even still have a few dedicated freestyle players as well.. Hearing what you said about kids failing in your area made me feel quite grateful for having a somewhat active ddr community. I know this has been said time and time again but I know that there will never be another era as great as the first and second generations of ddr players but I don't think that there isn't potential for a couple more generations... Thats just what I see tho, no one really knows

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66. PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 12:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mizu wrote:
Hearing what you said about kids failing in your area

I said "flailing," and I meant that. Not "failing." (Though, to be honest, they do that sometimes too.)

I say "flailing" in reference to my observation of a total lack of technique. Bracketing and flat-footing mean nothing to these kids. They're playing on their toes, hitting the middles and outsides of the panels. Then they're exhausted after playing Max 300 or LoM. And meanwhile, I'm playing songs with 2000+ steps in ITG and not so much as breathing audibly afterwards. (Keep in mind: I smoke. Like a half pack a day.) It just makes me shake my head that they're so clueless. And they show no signs of wanting to improve.
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67. PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 12:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mizu wrote:
Funsize Tw!x wrote:
ugh this thread is stupid.
IMO


I don't know about this... but anyways the era of ddr being super popular isn't over I don't think...
Dude, it's superpopularity has long been over. There was a time when you would go into an arcade at any given time and have to wait behind two or three people to play a round. And if it was a popular DDR spot you would expect upwards of four.

But as far as kids "flailing", I haven't seen that in years. All those kids got good, and now there are only the "pros" that do 10s+, and the absolute beginners that play the lowest. Pros making 90% of the players. Beginners being interchangable.

Then throw in a few vintage 5th mix players on Friday and Saturday night.

And this thread hurts Funsize's feelings.
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68. PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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In DDR, they get to the level of passing a few 10s and maybe consistently A'ing 8s and 9s, but that's the limit.

And that's bad? Maybe people aren't up to your level but passing 10s certainly isn't bad by any means. Neither is consistently A'ing 8s and 9s.

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Most people I see just don't pay attention to score or great count, they're content to simply pass Max 300. The funny thing is that some of them have been playing just about as long as I have (or longer).

Again, that's bad? Maybe people play it for fun or maybe they don't see the need to devote as much time or effort into the game as you do. Or, perhaps they're just never going to be as good as you are at it? Does it matter that much? Passing Max 300 isn't bad by any means.

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It just makes me shake my head that they're so clueless. And they show no signs of wanting to improve.

Motivation would be the key to improvement. Where is the motivation? If people are content playing the game for fun, let them. How does it hurt you? They have different goals than you do.

So, because someone is better in any sport than you are, does that make you "so clueless" and "showing no signs of wanting to improve"? And don't claim you are better than everybody at everything because nobody is buying that.

It's quite simple. People's priorities are different.
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69. PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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+ǝʇnɯ wrote:
In DDR, they get to the level of passing a few 10s and maybe consistently A'ing 8s and 9s, but that's the limit.

And that's bad? Maybe people aren't up to your level but passing 10s certainly isn't bad by any means. Neither is consistently A'ing 8s and 9s.

Passing 10s with less than 50% perfects is definitely bad. And when I say "consistently A'ing 8s and 9s," I mean that they whore these songs and never even AA them. Ever.

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+ǝʇnɯ wrote:

It just makes me shake my head that they're so clueless. And they show no signs of wanting to improve.

Motivation would be the key to improvement. Where is the motivation? If people are content playing the game for fun, let them. How does it hurt you? They have different goals than you do.

So, because someone is better in any sport than you are, does that make you "so clueless" and "showing no signs of wanting to improve"? And don't claim you are better than everybody at everything because nobody is buying that.

It's quite simple. People's priorities are different.

You misunderstand me. When I say that these players are clueless, I mean that they think they're really hot shit when they're nowhere near the top 1% or even 10% of players. Picture a little league softball player who thinks he could hit home runs in an MLB game.

Don't think for a moment that I don't realize that many novices play these games for fun and don't care about score. I'm not talking about those players. Nor am I trying to give the idea that I think I'm better than everybody at everything. Seriously, did I say that? I don't attempt to act outside of my skill level in anything that I do. The same is not true for many newer DDR players that I've observed. They simply lack perspective in what constitutes a skilled player.

Of course, we're just talking about DDR here. It's a game, whoop-de-do, it's not significant in the long run. We all know that. The main point I'm trying to get across is that I've observed a trend of newer players having limited potential for improvement. That's about it.
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70. PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So yea. go to certain places at certain times...and ddr is still well and alive. But the days of getting of class and running to the mall to play ddr until my mom got off work everyday are over. I go probably once a week now. so do most ppl.
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71. PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

were im at its pretty much dead.. back around when ddr max 2 and extreme came out it was hella popular but now...i very rarely see anybody who plays ddr and if they do its either just some person trying it...there was a place were they had itg 2 and ddr but it got closed down
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I don't know that many people who play DDR, but my neighborhood is pretty much half college students who're more interested in getting plastered and half really poor only wants to sit and blast rap. Add a sprinkling of immigrants from Guatamala and Ethiopia. These are not DDR people.

But I do know some who play and it's mostly for fun and exercise. There's only I think 1 arcade that even has DDR and that's way on the other side of the city.

I don't think it's a super popular as it was, I wish it were. If nothing else it'd be a little easier to buy the games and pads in stores - not having to deal with almost everything online. Especially pads.

Who knows, maybe Konami will come out with a new version that will bring back popularity. We can hope, right?

I've played Guitar Hero ... tbh, I really don't know what the fuss is about. I'd rather move!
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I know I shouldn't really talk about the "ddr scene" since I just started to get into ddr recently, but here in so-cal, there really aren't any local arcades worth going to. Most of the arcades that were popular have been closed down due to either bad business overall, or problems with the city. I have been in the arcade scene for awhile, and have a few games on location, but it is really hard to keep a full-on arcade here in California. The best arcade for import games in all of LA county will be closing down within the next year because the city keeps fighting them about the noise level and blaming them for the gang activity (which is a common cop-out given in city complaints). When it boils down to it, arcades just aren't don't pull in enough income to fight to keep anymore. Needless to say, I don't blame anyone except the game developers for that. People used to go to arcades because you could get an experience that you couldn't get anywhere else. Then, the home consoles started coming out, but the arcades were still vastly superior to the home games. Now, you have arcades based on the same hardware as consoles, and games coming out for home consoles only a month or two after arcade release. So, there's really no point for people to go to arcades anymore when they can get the same experience at home. The main reason ddr was so popular was because it was something you had to go to the arcades to experience. And it was different from anything else on the market. In the past 5 years, there haven't been any new games on the market, just newer versions of fighting games, a couple shooters, some drivers, and a few shmups.


It's a sad fact, but it's true. Arcades are dead. Not just ddr.
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74. PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2008 11:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

^ Good point stuffmonger. I do see alot of arcades struggling now a days. A big one by where I live just closed down, and never hear any kids talking about wanting to go to the arcade now. It's kinda oldschool now unfortunately
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Marq, the quote in your siggy is priceless. Reminds me exactly of a bowling alley I play DDR at here in Pullman. Except I'm lucky, we still have our DDR cabinet.
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76. PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2008 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There does seem to be a bit of an economic downturn, so it would make sense that people would spend less on entertianment...

and more on liquor...

The community isn't dead, but struggling. Extreme and ITG2 were solid arcade mixes that people could care about getting better at, and there was always Pump. Now WPF is cancelled, ITG is dead, and DDR has jumped the shark. But I'm not going to sit here and whine about it. Maybe I can talk the owner of the local arcade into letting me throw a Pump Pro tournament there.
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I know I shouldn't really talk about the "ddr scene" since I just started to get into ddr recently, but here in so-cal, there really aren't any local arcades worth going to. Most of the arcades that were popular have been closed down due to either bad business overall, or problems with the city. I have been in the arcade scene for awhile, and have a few games on location, but it is really hard to keep a full-on arcade here in California. The best arcade for import games in all of LA county will be closing down within the next year because the city keeps fighting them about the noise level and blaming them for the gang activity (which is a common cop-out given in city complaints). When it boils down to it, arcades just aren't don't pull in enough income to fight to keep anymore. Needless to say, I don't blame anyone except the game developers for that. People used to go to arcades because you could get an experience that you couldn't get anywhere else. Then, the home consoles started coming out, but the arcades were still vastly superior to the home games. Now, you have arcades based on the same hardware as consoles, and games coming out for home consoles only a month or two after arcade release. So, there's really no point for people to go to arcades anymore when they can get the same experience at home. The main reason ddr was so popular was because it was something you had to go to the arcades to experience. And it was different from anything else on the market. In the past 5 years, there haven't been any new games on the market, just newer versions of fighting games, a couple shooters, some drivers, and a few shmups.


It's a sad fact, but it's true. Arcades are dead. Not just ddr.


i was gonna add this but forgot too...anyway i agree with u a 100 percent...the reason ddr isnt popular anymore is cuz all the arcades closed down...and the ones left open are too far for most people...that and im guessing the people that were really into it grew up and moved on with their lives i suppose...oh well live and learn
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not many people even know what ddr is in philly because there are no arcade machines, i only know 3 people besides myself who are hardcore DDR players that live in philadelphia
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stuffmonger wrote:
I know I shouldn't really talk about the "ddr scene" since I just started to get into ddr recently, but here in so-cal, there really aren't any local arcades worth going to. Most of the arcades that were popular have been closed down due to either bad business overall, or problems with the city. I have been in the arcade scene for awhile, and have a few games on location, but it is really hard to keep a full-on arcade here in California. The best arcade for import games in all of LA county will be closing down within the next year because the city keeps fighting them about the noise level and blaming them for the gang activity (which is a common cop-out given in city complaints).When it boils down to it, arcades just aren't don't pull in enough income to fight to keep anymore. Needless to say, I don't blame anyone except the game developers for that. People used to go to arcades because you could get an experience that you couldn't get anywhere else. Then, the home consoles started coming out, but the arcades were still vastly superior to the home games. Now, you have arcades based on the same hardw

are as consoles, and games coming out for home consoles only a month or two after arcade release. So, there's really no point for people to go to arcades anymore when they can get the same experience at home. The main reason ddr was so popular was because it was something you had to go to the arcades to experience. And it was different from anything else on the market. In the past 5 years, there haven't been any new games on the market, just newer versions of fighting games, a couple shooters, some drivers, and a few shmups.


It's a sad fact, but it's true. Arcades are dead. Not just ddr.


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