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Agent J
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| trob xD wrote: | So uhh... DT. When are these pads comin' out? It's been about 6 months since you've been talking about 'em. 'Bout time you come up with something.
oh nevermind you should just go on another 6 week break. but in the mean time i think you should still go to other threads and tell people to buy from you, even though your company doesn't have a single dancing game product. |
Come on man, don't be such a jerk. He's ONE GUY, a high school student trying to do this in his spare time, which he doesn't seem to have much of right now. He hasn't made any promises, provided any release dates, or taken anyone's money, but you're acting like he owes you something. I'd like to see YOU start up a dance pad making operation in 6 months, or even a year or two. Most large businesses don't even start up in 6 months, and those that do, for example dot-com businesses of the early 21st century, often roll over and die as quickly as they appear.
DancingTofu, I've never said much on this whole thing, nothing at all in fact, but I applaud your efforts on this project. It's an idea I've kicked around in my head over and over again but I just don't have the entrepreneurial drive to make it work. Even if this project ultimately doesn't work out, at least you're trying, which is a lot more than can be said of the people criticizing you. And for those comparing him to Beat-Gear, remember, that guy supposedly had some fabrication plant in Peru or something where he'd be able to churn out those things by the thousands. Unless DT's hiding something really well, I'm pretty sure he's doing this all by hand. |
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| 401. Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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I'm simply saying that he has nothing to show, but theres so much hype for his ideas. He could have waited and developed the prototype pads THEN made the topic. I know that what I said was harsh, but its the truth. If you plan on making a business off of DDR pads, which I dont think is a bad idea, then you'd better have some unique ideas and know what your doing. But from what I've seen in this thread, all DT has said is that his pads are going to be great. Theres going to be nothing wrong with them and theres all these garentees, when really, he hasn't constructed anything or showed us anything impressive. So... what he has to show is a half way made prototype of a non-completed idea.
Keep on working on getting money for this DT. Do you have a job? Get one. |
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| 402. Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 5:09 am Post subject: |
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yeah, it is kinda harsh, but i agree with both of you guys
i was thinking that i could start my own company/business on building and selling pads, but i didnt think itd be that successful/i would get any help from my friends.
| Quote: | | He's ONE GUY, a high school student trying to do this in his spare time, which he doesn't seem to have much of right now. |
yes, that's true, but i am a high school student, and have a job, and i managed to build one full one, and about 1/2 way or so on the second pad.
it IS possible to do that during school. i just hope nothing bad has happened to him.
anyway, all i can say is that the prototype pads need pics, regardless of the quality, design, and appearance of them.
i dont mean to put down DT or anyone, as i do want to see how this goes, because i am curious and all, but there needs to be some pictures
sorry for this burst, but i think it was necessary
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| 403. Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 6:38 am Post subject: |
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Geez guys, it's like you've never heard of a marketing study before.
Please also learn the relationship between criticism (harsh or otherwise) and tact.
DT is fishing for our support by letting us in on the design/testing phase rather than bringing a product to market, *then* trying to sell it.
He now has buyers lined up and seeks feedback and kudos to realize his dream.
Do you think bashing him for falling behind is going to help speed things up? He's excited about this project and wants us to be as well.
As for risk... has money changed hands already? I don't remember reading anything like that, but then again, I'm a n00b so what do I know. Your only risk is hope, my friends.
My only advice to Mr. Tofu is to keep up the good work and keep your priorities straight. If schoolwork needs more attention then so be it. We know you'll be back to the project when time allows.
I, for one, welcome our new belated dance pad manufacturing overlord.  |
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| 404. Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 8:20 am Post subject: |
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still no prototypes speaks a lot IMO,
I mean most ddr homepads (some are most durable and reliable than market pads) take between 6 hours to 6 days to build (devout says that the stealth pad can even be built in around 4 hours if you have everything you need AND DT says the DT600 is close in design to the stealth....)
he should just kick some time during his week ends to at least finalize and showcase one proper ptototype instead of designing so many pads at once.
start with one proto DT600 then move to another proto and at the same type build some Beta DT600.
He seems to be very good at pad design, and maybe with someone to help him actually build them, this could be going on well. But the only pic I saw is a prototype without wires or anything and jaggy steps |
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| 405. Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 9:22 am Post subject: |
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yikes! the natives are getting really restless here!
When ppl talk about time to build pads and stuff, remember they are using detailed tutorials, pics, helpful forums like DDRfreak, videos, etc, that have already been trailblazed by others. From what I understand, DT is coming up with something new here (at least in terms of sensor design, but thats of course the important thing), and is quite constrained in terms of both time and finances.
If I had a clear understanding of the materials and methods involved behind a DT600, I would build one myself.
I'm pulling for the guy.
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| 406. Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 10:23 am Post subject: |
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| trob xD wrote: | I'm simply saying that he has nothing to show, but theres so much hype for his ideas. He could have waited and developed the prototype pads THEN made the topic. I know that what I said was harsh, but its the truth. If you plan on making a business off of DDR pads, which I dont think is a bad idea, then you'd better have some unique ideas and know what your doing. But from what I've seen in this thread, all DT has said is that his pads are going to be great. Theres going to be nothing wrong with them and theres all these garentees, when really, he hasn't constructed anything or showed us anything impressive. So... what he has to show is a half way made prototype of a non-completed idea.
Keep on working on getting money for this DT. Do you have a job? Get one. |
The only thing that bugs me is that every other thread I open tis like buy a blueshark/flux/whatever or DT 6000. Right now according to a majority of threads in here the best pad to buy, best pad for you buck, doesnt even exist yet.
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| 407. Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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The reason for that, Sain, is that a lot of people swear by their homemade pads and claim that they're actually better than a lot of the high-end commercial pads, including Blueshark - which has issues and terrible, terrible tech support - and Cobalt Flux - which can be iffy at times and don't feel like arcade pads anyway. Both of which are hundreds of dollars.
If DT puts together what is essentially a really really good homemade pad with high-quality materials and careful construction and design (and we KNOW there's good design, and the materials he's been telling us about are definitely high-quality) then these pads are simply going to be amazing. They'll play like arcade pads, with better sensors, and last forever and a day.. and they'll be so much cheaper than the other high-end pads on the market it's unbelievable. That's how it'll be, barring the possibility of some unforseeable thing going wrong. And in small businesses, that can happen and you have to take that into account.
And hey everybody, let's not forget the difficulties inherent in trying to start your own business. Fund it yourself. Get a job and put all that money into the business. Spend tons of time, energy, effort, and concentration into building something you're not even sure will be successful. If you're going to complain because he's hyped the product before it was even a prototype, think about it this way: a kid who wants to make a dancing pad business and doesn't tell anybody about it has no obligation to himself and can give up at any time. A kid who decides to make a dancing pad business and gets lots of support and anxious potential customers has that hanging over his head. Automatic pressure, feedback, and possible clientele, increasing the chances that he won't bail out on us. No matter what, though, staring a business is hard as hell, especially without investors or a small business loan (and as a high school student, both are basically impossible to get).
If it seems like it's not worth the wait for you, then splurge on a Blueshark. When its sensors stop responding properly, you can sit on your buttocks while MyMyBox pretends they can't hear your complaints and requests.
DT, a lot of us still feel the wait will be worth it. When they're released, I'm definitely going to want a Dancing Tofu pad.
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| 408. Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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DT, don't let the hecklers get you down - we're all still rooting for you, even if some of us are getting a bit impatient. (Personally I would wait as long as it takes for them to work. Besides, what's worse, taking a long time or putting out a faulty product?)
Meanwhile, I'm hoping the prototype plans work out - I may look at a 200 series, but I'm having some financial problems myself (in the form of theft >.>), so I can feel ya on that front - but rest assured, you have all the time in the world. ^.^
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| 409. Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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Wow, sudden boom in posts there. Unfortunately, no good news from the couplings, but I don't think the problem's because of the couplings; those work perfectly. The problem is that the up AND right arrows are both spazzing. Hopefully, I'll be able to fix this with either some extra foam or something inside the panels, but I do know that the problem is no longer the plugs.
gtg, I'll cover this more thoroughly when I have a chance.
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| 410. Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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| trob xD wrote: | I'm simply saying that he has nothing to show, but theres so much hype for his ideas. He could have waited and developed the prototype pads THEN made the topic. I know that what I said was harsh, but its the truth. If you plan on making a business off of DDR pads, which I dont think is a bad idea, then you'd better have some unique ideas and know what your doing. But from what I've seen in this thread, all DT has said is that his pads are going to be great. Theres going to be nothing wrong with them and theres all these garentees, when really, he hasn't constructed anything or showed us anything impressive. So... what he has to show is a half way made prototype of a non-completed idea.
Keep on working on getting money for this DT. Do you have a job? Get one. |
Hmm, I see what you're saying. In a way, you're kind of thinking "Put up or shut up", I take it? I can understand and agree to a point. There are tons of projects in all areas that have started out with a huge amount of hype and then simply vanished or were massively disappointing when they finally came out. Case in point: DanceTrax, that community-made dance game that seems to have dropped off the face of the planet. It was supposed to have amazing stepcharts, music by community artists, a great new cabinet, and then... nothing.
And of course Beat-gear, which admittedly doesn't set a good precedent for what DT's doing. Ok, I apologize for my remarks before. I don't really have a problem with your viewpoint, I think I was just getting tired of seeing people gang up on DT. To be clear, I'm not a DT fanboy. I'm looking forward to seeing the pads, but I'm doing so with cautious optimism, nothing more |
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| 411. Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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Cautious optimism was the feeling I was trying to give people, which is why I have reverted to only recommending homebrews.
The fact of the matter is that I know that a perfect pad can be made by hand, and I know that I have the resources to get one made. And if one can be made, more can be made. I'm not a patient person, but I'm a slow perfectionist. I said before that the DT600 would be superior or equal in all areas to the tx-1000. So far, the prototype has not displayed that, which is why it hasn't been properly released yet.
If you want a DT600 now, you can build one yourself. I'm fairly certain I'm one of the worst carpenters in this room, and learned how to solder while building the prototype with no teaching. My school doesn't even have a shop teacher I can go to in order to have my questions answered. The DT600 is specifically designed to be buildable with minimal resources and knowledge. The only electronic tools required to build one are a soldering iron and a power drill (a sabersaw works nicely too, but a hacksaw will do).
Devout's Stealth dance platform is very similar; not at all a complex design.
I'll still do what I can to touch up to prototype, but the DT200 and DT500 are higher priorities for us now.
My advice:
Don't place an order with us just yet for anything. For those who already have, I promise to do what I can. I've got 2 more weeks of school then I have 2 and a half months of summer.
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| 412. Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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hey sorry, but i need to cancel my order :/
my principal went out and bought a ps2 and supernova, and then trashed the project :/
i may come back in a few months to get some for my cab if i decide not to build them myself. |
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| 413. Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 10:00 am Post subject: |
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| trob xD wrote: | Come on man, don't be such a jerk. He's ONE GUY, a high school student trying to do this in his spare time, which he doesn't seem to have much of right now. He hasn't made any promises, provided any release dates, or taken anyone's money, but you're acting like he owes you something. I'd like to see YOU start up a dance pad making operation in 6 months, or even a year or two. Most large businesses don't even start up in 6 months, and those that do, for example dot-com businesses of the early 21st century, often roll over and die as quickly as they appear.
DancingTofu, I've never said much on this whole thing, nothing at all in fact, but I applaud your efforts on this project. It's an idea I've kicked around in my head over and over again but I just don't have the entrepreneurial drive to make it work. Even if this project ultimately doesn't work out, at least you're trying, which is a lot more than can be said of the people criticizing you. And for those comparing him to Beat-Gear, remember, that guy supposedly had some fabrication plant in Peru or something where he'd be able to churn out those things by the thousands. Unless DT's hiding something really well, I'm pretty sure he's doing this all by hand. |
That whole post was bullshit.
| trob xD wrote: | | He's ONE GUY, a high school student trying to do this in his spare time |
What about when he was talking about all of his friends coming over to help him out?
| trob xD wrote: | | He hasn't made any promises, provided any release dates, or taken anyone's money |
For a while, every time he posted, it was about the DT 600 being done by the next day, etc. Also, he took a $100 donation from somebody If I recall correctly.
| trob xD wrote: | | but you're acting like he owes you something |
I think he owes everybody their time, because this whole thing was bullshit from the beginning.
| trob xD wrote: | | I'd like to see YOU start up a dance pad making operation in 6 months, or even a year or two. Most large businesses don't even start up in 6 months, and those that do, for example dot-com businesses of the early 21st century, often roll over and die as quickly as they appear. |
I don't think anybody wants to do that, but at the same time, they don't want to get their hopes up for something like a duct tape wallet. I didn't know he was trying to make a large business out of this. If that's true, then wow...
| trob xD wrote: | | DancingTofu, I've never said much on this whole thing, nothing at all in fact, but I applaud your efforts on this project. |
Yeah, he's pretty good at giving people false hope about good DDR pads.
| trob xD wrote: | | It's an idea I've kicked around in my head over and over again but I just don't have the entrepreneurial drive to make it work |
Neither does he.
| trob xD wrote: | | Even if this project ultimately doesn't work out, at least you're trying, which is a lot more than can be said of the people criticizing you. |
Actually, a lot of the people on here stuck to building their own pads, because they realized that this isn't going to happen.
| trob xD wrote: | | And for those comparing him to Beat-Gear, remember, that guy supposedly had some fabrication plant in Peru or something where he'd be able to churn out those things by the thousands. Unless DT's hiding something really well, I'm pretty sure he's doing this all by hand. |
If the guy that made the Beat-Gear pads had a fabrication plant, and his business didn't work out, what makes DancingTofu so sure that it can be done by hand?
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| 415. Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 10:57 am Post subject: |
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Learn how to quote. You made it so it looked like I said all that. |
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| 416. Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Tenchi50 wrote: | hey sorry, but i need to cancel my order :/
my principal went out and bought a ps2 and supernova, and then trashed the project :/
i may come back in a few months to get some for my cab if i decide not to build them myself. |
Not a problem. Hope you find better luck with such things in the future, man.
Mckeel, I understand if you're going to attack me on this, 'cause frankly, I haven't really gotten anything done that can be shown. However, please don't attack trob for not being a pessimist. He's got a full right to be supportive. If you want to complain, do it directly.
| Quote: | | What about when he was talking about all of his friends coming over to help him out? |
Never happened. Steve came over once and made a mess of my contact cement once, but every time I've planned for Matt (my skilled associate) to come over, something's come up that got in the way.
| Quote: | | For a while, every time he posted, it was about the DT 600 being done by the next day, etc. Also, he took a $100 donation from somebody If I recall correctly. |
$105. And I don't plan to forget it.
As for the done next day stuff, well, it was, then I posted back, said, "Okay, it's tweakin', gonna fix it," and went back to the drawing board.
| Quote: | | I think he owes everybody their time, because this whole thing was bullshit from the beginning. |
I know that nobody has put more time into this than me. Don't you dare act like the 10 minutes you spent criticising trob are worth more than the hours I've spent trying to change the way an entire market runs. Just because you haven't seen a successful pad yet doesn't mean I haven't put time into this. I'll be laughing my buttocks off at that statement when this business gets on its feet and my "bullshit" is the new favourite dance pad.
| Quote: | | If the guy that made the Beat-Gear pads had a fabrication plant, and his business didn't work out, what makes DancingTofu so sure that it can be done by hand? |
Because, Beat-Gear never took necessary precautions to make sure they wouldn't go bankrupt. If I didn't know, for a fact, that high-quality DDR pads could be built by hand, I wouldn't have even considered this.
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| 417. Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 1:00 pm Post subject: |
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| DepressedTofu wrote: | | Don't you dare act like the 10 minutes you spent criticising trob are worth more than the hours I've spent trying to change the way an entire market runs. |
Sha-BAM.
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| 418. Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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So I finally started putting together some instructions on how to build a DT600 PIU-style. I'm pretty sure all the issues have been sorted out, so I'd like to see how it comes out if someone tries it. I'll hopefully have those finished soon.
I'll get some for the 4-panel design too.
And other requests for things that just involve me drafting designs and writing instructions, I'd be happy to take, because those don't require money, just time, and unfortunately, in my case, time isn't money, it's just something I have a lot of.
Oh, and has anybody done anything using the DT200 designs? If so, keep me posted. I'm still planning on making a prototype, but if anyone beats me to it, I'd like to see the product.
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| 419. Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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OMG im back from the dead...
Yeah, Im a maplestory fan too!
I got to get back to didder also!
Hey DT, any major updates! Do u have a prototype? |
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