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LSK
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0.  Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 7:18 am Post subject: Start button problems on pad |
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I have an Ignition 3.0. (Should this be in that controller's thread?) My father decided that it looked garish, and put it up against a wall, behind my Guitar Hero controllers. Now, the Start button doesn't work, but in a strange way. The game acts as though the button is being rapid-fired, but if I hold START, the game treats it as though it's not pressed. What is wrong with my controller? I have tried the following:
- Checking the game disk - it's fine.
- Unplugging the controller and replugging it with no buttons held - same problem.
- Plugging it into player 2's slot - same problem.
- Plugging a mundane controller in - no problem. |
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ChilliumBromide
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carriondeath
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| 2. Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 1:43 pm Post subject: |
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| It might be that a wire somehow came loose, and causing a short in your pad |
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LSK
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| 3. Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 1:49 pm Post subject: |
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| I unzipped it, but didn't see anything unusual. The problem was the same no matter how I held it while unzipped. |
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ChilliumBromide
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| 4. Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 2:01 pm Post subject: |
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The contact line may be loosely attached to its corresponding contact on the chip. That seems highly possible.
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LSK
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| 5. Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 4:31 am Post subject: |
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| How would I find what was happening and fix it? |
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carriondeath
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| 6. Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 2:51 pm Post subject: |
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| You could try opening the lil plastic container control box, and check if one of the little plastic lines has ripped or moved out of place. If you cant find a problem i guess you could possibly mod the pad or just buy a new on |
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LSK
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| 7. Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 10:16 am Post subject: |
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| carriondeath wrote: | | You could try opening the lil plastic container control box, and check if one of the little plastic lines has ripped or moved out of place. If you cant find a problem i guess you could possibly mod the pad or just buy a new on |
How would I open the box?
(I don't want to buy a new one - I paid $100 for this thing!) |
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idConstruct
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| 8. Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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wow... i think i may have some bad news for you...
my ignition just broke a few days ago and had the exact same problem (the start button was 'rapid firing' or 'strobing'... I immediately thought it was weird because the strobing wasn't random or erratic, but it was a very consistent rate (like 15-20 times per second)
The first thing i did was make sure the foam separating the contacts was working properly, and it was... (no shorts by the contacts) ... i tried using the other controller port and restarting the ps2 a few times but no luck there... then i checked the trace from the start button to the CB (it was fine)... then i just said screw it and i cut the trace (it still strobed)...
So in my case at least (and yours too i would guess) its a control box problem. Unfortunately i got mine off amazon , so there's no warranty on mine. Although I might consider just soldering the pad up to a dualshock or something since the buttons and everything still work fine...
It might not be too bad since a dualshock circuit board should fit inside the empty ignition box pretty well...
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Aoi-chan
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| 9. Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 7:29 pm Post subject: Re: Start button problems on pad |
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| LSK wrote: | I have an Ignition 3.0. (Should this be in that controller's thread?) My father decided that it looked garish, and put it up against a wall, behind my Guitar Hero controllers. Now, the Start button doesn't work, but in a strange way. The game acts as though the button is being rapid-fired, but if I hold START, the game treats it as though it's not pressed. What is wrong with my controller? I have tried the following:
- Checking the game disk - it's fine.
- Unplugging the controller and replugging it with no buttons held - same problem.
- Plugging it into player 2's slot - same problem.
- Plugging a mundane controller in - no problem. |
Good job first of all on the troubleshooting and swapping. You've isolated the problem as being inside this pad, since it's not the game or the system.
If this Ignition is the same in design as most ignition pads, then you most likely have a short or bad ground going to the start button. By pressing down the start button, you are keeping the circuit closed (in theory, since that's what should happen when you activate the switch on a normally working pad). At this point, you have two other things to check out to further isolate the problem with this button. From what you've described so far, I would guess it's your button, not the control box. Folding these pads or storing them upright is not good for the wiring inside.
1. Is the problem with the contacts (ignition pads use membrane wiring, similar to touch pads/key pads) under the start button?
2. Is the problem in the control box on the PCB?
To check this, you will have to open up the pad, try folding and stretching the pad around this button and see if you see a change in the start button. Does it stop activating or does the problem remain constant and unchanged? If you cannot find a short with this button, you "could" try disconnecting the button from the control box (which should be easy to trace, there will be a line from this button heading back to the control box). If you cut this line and the button still continues to operate, then the problem is definately in the control box, not in the pad. But cutting this line is a last resort. If you have a digital meter, you could check continunity of this button and would make the whole process much easier. If you have access to a meter, send me a PM and we can discuss how to figure out the problem further.
Checking the PCB will be very difficult unless you have a meter, or want to take a chance at ruining your control box. You may find the contacts from the pad are traced back to the PCB and held on by nothing more than tape. If this is the case, you could just untape the contacts and see if the start button still operates by itself or not. Remember to tape back the contacts for a working pad afterwords. Since I haven't been inside an Ignition 3.0, I'm not sure it it's the same as the ignitions I have from years ago. If you are able to check the PCB by meter or can disconnect the pad from the PCB, see if the start button still operates. If it does, then you have a bad PCB. If it stops, then the button on the pad is the problem.
Hope that helps.
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