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Post 300! I think I still might be able to build pads, what with summer around the corner, though I'm not sure what I would do during school days.
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so, about that prototype that was done 2 days ago E13.gif

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Actually I had post 300, as i think the original topic is post "0"
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In celebration of us getting to our 300th post, I went and saw the 300, even though I just found out we got to post 300.

So, here's the deal.
I was working on that prototype, doing some little final touches with on the wiring before I finished the panels, rig a temporary start and select, and hook it up to my PS2 for some testing. Then I decided to check out the time to see if I had time to make a proper control box and realised I had to catch a bus in 6 minutes. I had some prior plans for this weekend, and didn't realise I'd be so delayed that the pad would still be unfinished at this point. I've been away from the house since friday afternoon, and I won't get home again until tomorrow afternoon, and then I need to work on some physics homework. I may have time to attach the remaining wires and everything Sunday night.

Sorry again for the increased delay. For something that was supposed to be done in January, I've really dragged this out far too long. Who knows, maybe I'll "forget" to bump prices up for a couple months too; procrastination is one of my strong points.
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DancingTofu wrote:


Sorry again for the increased delay. For something that was supposed to be done in January, I've really dragged this out far too long. Who knows, maybe I'll "forget" to bump prices up for a couple months too; procrastination is one of my strong points.


No worries at all Tofu! I just read this entire thread and I gotta say...you rock dude....you seriously rock, and it has nothing to do with the music thing.

In 1-2 months I may be in the market for a DDR pad...I originally wanted a cobalt flux, but your pad seems wicked cool....thinking about the DT500 or 510 (but I have no idea what the 510 is, missed that info or didn't see a description of the difference between those similair models...)

I would want it tweaked out, all the fixings....copper, maybe the 3" thickness instead of the 2", and otherwise as ARCADE similiar as possible....although I would want to be able to customize the look, perhaps I could provide a graphic of something...

Cost is not an issue when I do this....I will hook you up as much extra as I can spare when it happens if you can seriously mack out my pad for me....I would want you personally to build it though, no other person/distributor, if possible!

It's crazy, it's my first post on this site and I completely trust ya man!

So.....roughly...what cost we looking at for this? to summarize: (assuming dt500)

1. custom top graphic of some sort (nothing too colorful, maybe a B&W/greyscale theme even.....if possible....)
2. copper contacts....
3. possibly 3" for better strength...how much weight does that add btw?
4. otherwise as aracde-like as possible...

I don't know what else I'm forgetting or what other options I have, because I'm very new to DDR, but I want to start with the best possible foundation and learn from there!)

P.S I'm also going to donate to you soon. Give me 2-3 weeks...not sure how much yet....

Thanks!!
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DOUBLE POST....sorry....don't know what I did....you'd think 'edit post' would work as assumed to some degree....

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5. not sure about bar yet...I'm a newbie so maybe I should get the bar too....OPINIONS anyone?
Lol, double post, and yes get the bar. Just trust DarkCore on this.
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i have a name reccomendation...how bout you switch all the pads with names that roughly go with the price.

for example.

DT600-DT100
DT610-DT110
DT610 w/ bar-DT110AC
DT100-DT300
DT100 w/ bar-DT300AC
DT200-DT400
DT200 w/bar-DT400AC

or you could make cool names, like the XTREME-X, MONOLITH, ect. i actually quite like the monolith. have the monolith be the best pad. also, you should make some cool explosion logo in the center of the pad on the monolith. that would be frick boss. basically, you can name the pads based on ITG/DDR songs, and for the PIU ones, name em after PIU songs(i particularly like the "GO!" pad..although i dont no if "the handsome character that may pass" pad would work out too well....). And if you decide on catchy song names, you should have a logo on the center of each pad with it on there.
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You should put up pics of the plans to.

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cleverest wrote:
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Well, a few things:

1. The DT500 is 5" thick by default. I believe this is the height of an elevated arcade platform. The difference with this though is that the DT500's are 5" of solid pad; arcade pads aren't. I can build it thinner though.

2. Arcade sensors. 8D

3. These come with a bar by default, but you can choose not to put it in. The bar is held in by four 5" heavy duty bolts and 2 super heavy duty nuts.

For DT500's Doubles 3" custom graphics, you'd be looking at about $600. The bulk of that would be for the Arcade sensors.


The DT510 is similar to the DT500, but expanded (18" thick). It also includes a cooling system, better lights, deeper arrow wells, an 8" border, steps; the works.

It's the kind of thing you'd want at a party.
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Well, a few things:

1. The DT500 is 5" thick by default. I believe this is the height of an elevated arcade platform. The difference with this though is that the DT500's are 5" of solid pad; arcade pads aren't. I can build it thinner though.


Sorry for the long post...just a lot of questions/info to get out.....

Oops I thought the DT500 was 2" for some reason...5" would be great, unless you think it's overkill for a beginner and it's easier, cheaper and still very reliable for a 3"....I'll leave that to your expertise, sir.

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2. Arcade sensors. 8D


Sweet!

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3. These come with a bar by default, but you can choose not to put it in. The bar is held in by four 5" heavy duty bolts and 2 super heavy duty nuts.


Sounds Good, I will trust Darkcore on this point.....I want the bar for sure! BTW, is it removable though to some degree once assembled out of shipping? Sorry if I missed this point, had a lot to read here....

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For DT500's Doubles 3" custom graphics, you'd be looking at about $600. The bulk of that would be for the Arcade sensors.


any idea how good the graphics will look? I mean what material is the graphic being etched/painted/burned, etc....on? How so? Have a graphic online anywhere that could represent (roughly) the quality of a graphic done on it?

Also, could I get a SINGLE first and add the second one later without any trouble? Not sure if I'm getting one or two when I buy, but due to space restrictions, probably only 1 at first...

Also the price...if I'm paying that much, I don't mind paying even more for that extra "touch"...in finish and/or functionality...I'm thinking you could personally create my pad (as a goal) to be the pristine example of the DT500...something you would like to show off....I mean, use it as a logo before it ships, or take images for your website, etc...then I can rave about how amazing it actually is for you all over the web, I can even write a review coming from a "basic user perspective" for your website, which I would do if it's as great as I think it will be....etc....

DancingTofu wrote:

The DT510 is similar to the DT500, but expanded (18" thick). It also includes a cooling system, better lights, deeper arrow wells, an 8" border, steps; the works.

It's the kind of thing you'd want at a party.


ahh nevermind on that model then, the only "party" will be me and maybe my girlfriend on it occasionally....although the steps sound neat....
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Well, you're primarily paying for the sensors ($150-$200), not the base ($35). So why don't I build you one with a more or less hollow base, without the concrete support, but with the grid in there, and then, when you get to where you're playing 9's and up, you can flip the pad over, take the base off, then get a bag of concrete for a buck or two, mix it, and then fill in the concrete core manually? What that would do is save a TON on shipping. It would require some extra work on your part, but not a lot.

You can remove the bar, but you have the remove the 4 bolts and 2 nuts first. (actually, correction. There are 8 bolts, and 4 nuts; each leg of the bar is held by 4 bolts, 2 nuts)

Of course you can get singles; we wouldn't force doubles upon you.

I'm just coming up with this now, but this will go in our catalog, so consider it a quote:
"Every DT500 series dance platform is individually designed by one of our head architects (I'm our only architect at this point) to suit the customer's request. Each one will be built by a distribution team with no less than 4 months of active participation with Dancing Tofu Gaming. The customer is welcomed to choose a distribution team they feel comfortable with, and agree to pay that team's shipping and construction price. The designer will also set a fee that will be added on to other costs. This fee will generally range between $20 for a fairly standardised model to $150 for a full-on customised model. This will be compiled along with an initial design fee for the model."

So, I will design your dance pad personally, and my distribution team will be the only one prepared to build a DT500 series dance platform at the initial release, so I will also participate in the actual construction of your pad, although I'll have at least 2 of my friends to help me with it.

Another thing this means (or, at least, suggests) is that every DT500 is an individual art piece. We will take pictures and videos of it in use and on set during testing, and these mediums will belong solely to you as soon as you pay for the platform. If you allow us to use these pictures and videos to advertise our product, all the better. We will build and keep a prototype model for the purpose of advertising as well as finding possible problem areas though, so the choice is yours.

Looking forward to doing business with you. Just let me know if you have any more questions. =)
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DancingTofu wrote:
Well, you're primarily paying for the sensors ($150-$200), not the base ($35). So why don't I build you one with a more or less hollow base, without the concrete support, but with the grid in there, and then, when you get to where you're playing 9's and up, you can flip the pad over, take the base off, then get a bag of concrete for a buck or two, mix it, and then fill in the concrete core manually? What that would do is save a TON on shipping. It would require some extra work on your part, but not a lot.


Man I apprecaite the option, but I don't know, I live in a small CA apt...the chance of me getting a home with a garage to do that type of thing is next to nothing (for a long time I imagine)....plus I have 0 skills like that, I can build a kickass computer though! E13.gif

I'll probably just opt to pay the shipping for it completed with concrete..... (grits teeth)

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You can remove the bar, but you have the remove the 4 bolts and 2 nuts first. (actually, correction. There are 8 bolts, and 4 nuts; each leg of the bar is held by 4 bolts, 2 nuts)


that's cool, just wondering what I would be dealing with if I needed to remove it (to transport it etc...no doubt I could have waited to just build it to see this, but I'm impatient for information, hehe)

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Of course you can get singles; we wouldn't force doubles upon you.


Just because of space I may want to do this, but I have to consider design asthetics then....if the second piece comes it would need to look cool with the first....so if you created some sort of template, you could easily make the secone one, or would you just design something new to fit with the first one? I have this awesome idea of a a brushed art samurai on top of my panel(s), is that possible? Is it a metal top surface? how would the design me added? etched somehow??

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I'm just coming up with this now, but this will go in our catalog, so consider it a quote:
"Every DT500 series dance platform is individually designed by one of our head architects (I'm our only architect at this point) to suit the customer's request. Each one will be built by a distribution team with no less than 4 months of active participation with Dancing Tofu Gaming. The customer is welcomed to choose a distribution team they feel comfortable with, and agree to pay that team's shipping and construction price. The designer will also set a fee that will be added on to other costs. This fee will generally range between $20 for a fairly standardised model to $150 for a full-on customised model. This will be compiled along with an initial design fee for the model."


Sweet, I choose you regardless.....I'll probably be paying $150 or whatever, cause I want a kick buttocks design with this thing....

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So, I will design your dance pad personally, and my distribution team will be the only one prepared to build a DT500 series dance platform at the initial release, so I will also participate in the actual construction of your pad, although I'll have at least 2 of my friends to help me with it.


Of course, sounds great!

DancingTofu wrote:

Another thing this means (or, at least, suggests) is that every DT500 is an individual art piece. We will take pictures and videos of it in use and on set during testing, and these mediums will belong solely to you as soon as you pay for the platform. If you allow us to use these pictures and videos to advertise our product, all the better. We will build and keep a prototype model for the purpose of advertising as well as finding possible problem areas though, so the choice is yours.


Of course, use the images/design, etc... for any purpose that helps your business!

DancingTofu wrote:

Looking forward to doing business with you. Just let me know if you have any more questions. =)


I will! For starters...besides a top art....what other things can I do to customize it? do you have a link or pics or something of other pads (any brand) that can give me ideas on what YOU can do to it?
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I can just make you one without the concrete; just a wood and steel base. That would save the shipping, and the concrete's not too important anyway. It's primarily for use as a filler and to add weight. The steel's stronger than the concrete, so it's not a matter of how solid the pad is.

For moving it around, you can actually use the bar as an extra handle, although you probably won't need it if you nix the concrete base.

Don't worry, I'll keep a copy of all the blueprints and templates used on file.
I don't know exactly how we'd go about putting an image on the top of the pad, but I'm sure we could pull it off.

Well, One thing I like are what I call flash graphics. The panels normally look just like a solid panel with no design, but when the light comes on, the arrow is either outlined in light or made by the light. This is pretty easy to do and dirt cheap. Another thing that I think is cool to do is have the non-button panels have acrylic panels on top of them and long-lasting lights underneath, so you've basically got a glowing pad. Then, you can modify the size, so it's smaller or larger than a standard DDR pad, or you can get it with a handpainted wood finish, or perhaps you want panels that look like something from a star trek movie, with little glowing green lines all along them, or perhaps you might have an interest in having a stepmania machine or PS2 built into your pad, so it's basically a plug-'n'-play. (this would require it to be thicker, and would drastically increase the price)
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why add weight? arent pads heavy enough as it is?
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The DT200's and DT500's are only about 60 to 90 lbs without the concrete. The 80 lbs the concrete adds keeps them from sliding at all, and gives them more solidity and makes for less noise pollution, so you only hear the music and the rap of your foot against the panel.
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DancingTofu wrote:
The DT200's and DT500's are only about 60 to 90 lbs without the concrete. The 80 lbs the concrete adds keeps them from sliding at all, and gives them more solidity and makes for less noise pollution, so you only hear the music and the rap of your foot against the panel.


For that reason alone I may have to pay and get the concrete added after-all...I live in a small APT with two other people....noise would be a definite consideration actually.....too bad I don't have my own house or something..

About the artwork, yeah we can work something cool out for the top if its at all possible...any idea how GOOD it would look though? (I'm talking on the non arrow parts) I mean are we talking geometrical designs only if I do that, or could it be done off an image of some sort to a certain degree?

Also the arrow panels....would it be possible to use swords for the top AS instead of arrows? When I'm ready to buy I could send you an image of the type of sword, etc...

Excited! I'll keep you updated on when I can make this happen!
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The DT200's and DT500's are only about 60 to 90 lbs without the concrete. The 80 lbs the concrete adds keeps them from sliding at all, and gives them more solidity and makes for less noise pollution, so you only hear the music and the rap of your foot against the panel.


For that reason alone I may have to pay and get the concrete added after-all...I live in a small APT with two other people....noise would be a definite consideration actually.....too bad I don't have my own house or something..


Dont be weird. My 30 lb wood pad is completely silent. The only noise you're going to hear will be determined by how the sensors are designed (whether or not the button pushes down and clacks against something hard, or if it hits something soft) And since the mass of concrete will only stop sound from propogating *through* it, the only way it would stop that sound it to have the concrete above the sensors, which obviously wouldnt work.
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Dont be weird. My 30 lb wood pad is completely silent. The only noise you're going to hear will be determined by how the sensors are designed (whether or not the button pushes down and clacks against something hard, or if it hits something soft) And since the mass of concrete will only stop sound from propogating *through* it, the only way it would stop that sound it to have the concrete above the sensors, which obviously wouldnt work.


?Weird? Thanks for the info, but I was merely being cautious if anything...

I'm sure Dancing_Tofu knows how to make the pad virtually silent since he is the one creating them...I'll trust him to do the best he can when he makes my pad...
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Sorry for changing what I want yet again, but I've recently borrowed a friend's pad, and now I see some problems with my old design I wanted. Now, I need a pair that have the following:

-Roughly 1-1.5 inches thick (probably will go with DT610s)
-Blue Lights
-No Bar definately
-Able to withstand 250-300 lbs on any difficulty level on tile floor
-Must have a floor grip, preferably 1/4 inches thick (to muffle noise on the bottom floor and keep it from sliding
-Weight max of 40 lbs, no more (I'll be storing it on my top bunk, which is pretty high for a wimp like me to lift a 60+ lb pad =P)
-Lexan Panels (is this standard with DT610s? I forgot lol)

And my price range is anything up to...oh, $350. ^.^ (Even if it's less, I'll probably pay a bit extra anyways >.>) And how much would that cost to ship to Knoxville, Tennessee?
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