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daikenkai =[ Trick Member
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5740. Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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Dancing Tofu: LOL, Great minds think alike! Actually, I used Pine.
I will update with pics of my ultraghetto current bar (which i dont use actually), the benjamin controller, and some actual pics, no movies. |
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daikenkai =[ Trick Member
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5741. Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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DDR Dancedrum... Stupid, and crappy, but the controller is TINY! Like 3/4in by 1 inch by 3 inches
The sensors
The "benjamin" control box... it was made from a decongestents pill box and it has a buncha 100 dollar bill cards on there. I had an incomplete deck of cards, and thought it would look eccentric. The graphix i made on there.
The pad...
the pad again...
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daikenkai =[ Trick Member
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5742. Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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lol, i just noticed, the controller lol,
boomboomdollar! |
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devout Trick Member
Joined: 15 Dec 2006 Location: the atl |
5743. Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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DancingTofu wrote: | Corner brackets seriously aren't that hard, especially if you don't bother with the folded down tabs. Even with the tabs, if you have a good mallet and a strong vice, you can make 16 of them in around an hour. Also, most of the ones you'll find will be aluminum or tin. If you make them yourself, you can pick up a 6"x6" sheet of steel (22ga. is probably a good way to go) for $8 to $12 and make some actually decent brackets. |
You make me wonder sometimes Any corner bracket hd or lowes sells is gonna be made from zinc plated steel... aluminum costs too much for manufacturers to use when theres no reason to make things light.... and tin... i've never seen tin used in construction, and i've only seen actual tin metal on one occasion (in a chemistry lab). when people say tin they almost always actually mean steel or aluminum.
As for making 16 brackets in an hour... i take it you're not speaking from experience here... in any case if you're paying $12 for enough metal to make 9 of them... isnt that the same cost as buying real ones anyway? |
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penguinxtreme Trick Member
Joined: 17 Feb 2007
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5744. Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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devout wrote: | Its been suggested, but i dont think it's ever been done. Its certainly doable, but unless you're really poor its probably not worth the trouble.
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It actually has been done, by me
Sorry, I said too many different things in my last post, but to repeat I did do it with spare metal from my pad design. I didn't do the wrap around thing (my design is just a triangle that would screw onto a piece of wood (like it does in riptide's design)). It took very little time, and I can't imagine it would be too hard to do it with the whole wrap around thing, though it would take longer (though I for 4 buttons that would be only 16, so I doubt it would take 6 hours). If you have some extra time and want to save $25+ on brackets, then I personally would say go for it. |
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devout Trick Member
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5745. Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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penguinxtreme wrote: |
It actually has been done, by me
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yeah, didnt see that til after i started writing my post but you said you didnt use them so i figured it wasnt worth editing
ok 6 hours was probably an overestimate, but in my experience things tend to take a lot longer than they seem like they will, especially if you're doing them for the first time. between drawing the lines/marking holes, setting up the drill, clamping it down, drilling holes, cleaning up the shards, cutting it out (22 gauge + snips = frequent rests required, any thicker might need a saw), making a snack, sticking it in a vice, hammering the tabs down, putting the tools away... i could see it taking 10-15 minutes a piece. i usually get distracted by tv and forums in there too, so tack on another couple hours. anyway, my point was even if it only takes an hour or two, you could probably make enough money to buy them by using that time to mow a couple lawns... i'd say do that and save yourself the risk that they wont come out as nice as you planned.
If you're doing tabless brackets, then this is probably a lot more feasible... honestly i'd never heard of that before now... what does the bracket do then, is it just for looks? I always used the tabs to make the diagonal squares one solid frame that i can take on and off. Though i do have an entirely new pad design with no brackets... more on that later. |
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ChilliumBromide Trick Member
Joined: 16 Jun 2006 Location: Beaverton, OR |
5746. Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 11:51 pm Post subject: |
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devout wrote: | DancingTofu wrote: | Corner brackets seriously aren't that hard, especially if you don't bother with the folded down tabs. Even with the tabs, if you have a good mallet and a strong vice, you can make 16 of them in around an hour. Also, most of the ones you'll find will be aluminum or tin. If you make them yourself, you can pick up a 6"x6" sheet of steel (22ga. is probably a good way to go) for $8 to $12 and make some actually decent brackets. |
You make me wonder sometimes Any corner bracket hd or lowes sells is gonna be made from zinc plated steel... aluminum costs too much for manufacturers to use when theres no reason to make things light.... and tin... i've never seen tin used in construction, and i've only seen actual tin metal on one occasion (in a chemistry lab). when people say tin they almost always actually mean steel or aluminum.
As for making 16 brackets in an hour... i take it you're not speaking from experience here... in any case if you're paying $12 for enough metal to make 9 of them... isnt that the same cost as buying real ones anyway? | xP My point was more in the way of "goddammit this poopy is NOT durable! "
The corner brackets I'm thinking of are the ones from my old pads, which I can bend with my hands, although not much. They're about 1/16" thick. Weak metal bugs me; frankly though, it doesn't really matter what you use as your corner brackets as long as it doesn't break when you drill the holes or warp from being used.
My brain's really, really fried right now (flu + sinus headaches), so I'll probably be saying a lot of really stupid things on and off. _________________
I used to be active here lol |
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penguinxtreme Trick Member
Joined: 17 Feb 2007
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5747. Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 4:05 am Post subject: |
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The tabless ones just screw on top of the wood triangle thing, and hold the botton in place (just like the real ones). If you are using 22 gauge, then that would be a lot harder. Why not just make it out of a thinner metal? This is just a general question, but why does everyone seem to be using 22gauge sheetmetal? The metal is purely decorative, so I really don't see the point of having it be so thick. When wrapped around a chunk of plywood, 26 or even 28 gauge would hold up just fine. |
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shariyakugan Basic Member
Joined: 14 Feb 2007 Location: Netherlands |
5748. Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 10:19 am Post subject: |
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I have begun building my pad, it is at this have only finished the main board, stationary panels and some wiring. Now my question is about the ground wiring, I have connected the wires in a manner I'm not sure it will work, and I don't want to short anything and set fire to my house.
well I supplied a sketch of the situation, can I do it like this?
X and O are a some normal switches i got which will be set on the top left panel along with the controller (from softpad) |
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devout Trick Member
Joined: 15 Dec 2006 Location: the atl |
5749. Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 11:19 am Post subject: |
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Yeah thats pretty much all there is to it. If the ground wire will be close to the non-ground wires you might want to wrap electrical tape around the solder joints to make sure they dont accidentally touch. |
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ChilliumBromide Trick Member
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penguinxtreme Trick Member
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5751. Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 2:59 pm Post subject: |
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Today I went out to home depot and aubuchon hardware, and am starting my new pad design. I got the wood, metal, and a cheap "superman" controller from EB games, and am going to work on it. I still need to get plexi though, as I want to see if I can get it cheaper than in home depot (it would cost me $25-30 for just the plexi, and I'm trying to go cheap). I also need to find some plastic that is a bit thicker than stencil plastic for the switch design (something like the thickness of those thin CD jewel cases, any ideas where to get it?).
Because I want it to be compact (in thickness), and lightweight, the bottom piece of plywood is only about a 1/4 inch thick (more like 3/16 or 7/32 inch to be "precise"). On top of that I will have the five 3/8" plywood squares for the "non-buttons", which will be covered in sheet metal. The directionals will be 1/4" plexi (still need to get it) which will push down on a top layer of aluminum tape covered plastic, which will bend on the spacers and contact a bottom layer to close the circuit (still need to make the switches). In the front I will have a small housing for the controller board, with push-buttons for X, Triangle, and select and start at once (I need this incase I want to exit a song midway).
What do you guys think of the design? I'll post a price list and some pictures once I get along a bit. So far I have only spent $35 on materials and the controller (the wood was only $3 total), so if I can find a deal on plexi, then I expect it to be under $60 total. |
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daikenkai =[ Trick Member
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5752. Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 2:59 pm Post subject: |
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AHA! Now I have FINALLY fixd the insensitivity problem...
I upgraded it from a 4 sensor corner sensor array to a six panel 2x3 array. Now I got a AA. |
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devout Trick Member
Joined: 15 Dec 2006 Location: the atl |
5753. Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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DancingTofu wrote: | Wait, devout, are you thinking the cutting would be done with wire clippers or something? |
erm no, i was thinking a pair of snips... they say they can cut up to 18ga, but i think that would be pretty tough. Yeah i would probably recommend a jigsaw or a dremel, or a bench-mounted shear if you have one, or a waterjet cutter or plasma cutter if you really have something to prove
penguinxtreme wrote: | What do you guys think of the design? I'll post a price list and some pictures once I get along a bit. So far I have only spent $35 on materials and the controller (the wood was only $3 total), so if I can find a deal on plexi, then I expect it to be under $60 total. |
howwww did you manage to only spend $3 on wood? The one thing i would caution you about with such a thin pad is that it might be flimsy.. the plywood will keep the bottom together, but make sure you have something strong to keep the top together too or the whole pad will flex. (ie, some kind of brackets or straps tying all your panels together). You might find suitable plastic from a sign... home depot usually has a big section of "keep out" signs and whatnot... i would bet they have a bunch made of thin plastic you can cut up. Poster frames are also usually covered with thin acrylic instead of glass... maybe check out a craft store to see what that would cost. |
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Crimson7 Basic Member
Joined: 21 Jan 2007
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5754. Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 5:25 pm Post subject: Quick Disconnect Network Cable |
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Is there a guide somewhere on how to make the quick disconnect network cable? I think I'll use that on my pad... |
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Ghettobarney Trick Member
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devout Trick Member
Joined: 15 Dec 2006 Location: the atl |
5756. Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 5:53 pm Post subject: Re: Quick Disconnect Network Cable |
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Crimson7 wrote: | Is there a guide somewhere on how to make the quick disconnect network cable? I think I'll use that on my pad... |
Do you just mean having a network cable that plugs into your pad with all the wires? Not sure if theres a guide for that, but i'd say the easiest thing to do is buy a pre-crimped network cable, cut it in half, and also cut your controller cord in half (close to the circuit board) and solder half the network cable to the controller plug (trash the other half of the network cable). Then buy a network cable socket (not sure what the technical term for this is) which probably has screw terminals that you would screw the wires coming out of the control circuit board to. Everything should be color coded, so just match color to color and you'll be fine.
Then just solder your arrows to the circuit board as per usual ddrhomepad controls. Store the circuit board inside your pad with the socket sticking out.
If you want to keep the control outside the pad (if your pad isnt wired to all the buttons and you still need to use the control sometimes) just move the network cable business to the wiring between the circuitboard and your pad. Other than that the same process applies.
Oh yeah, it would be a lot cleaner to crimp a network cable connector directly on the end of the controller cord you cut, but then you need a network cable crimper (looks like a fancy pair of pliers), which will probably cost about $20, and you'll need to buy the connectors (probably need to buy a whole box ~$5?)
I've had success with (and ive seen other people use) a similar concept with a d-sub connector (serial port), which you can pick up from radio shack for a couple bucks. It might be cheaper than buying a pre-crimped cat 5 cable and socket, but you need to solder to it instead of screwing. Also you have to keep track of your own color coding. |
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penguinxtreme Trick Member
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5757. Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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Home depot has wood with (mostly) cosmetic imperfections for cheap, which accounts for the 1/4in piece. The 3/8" pieces were two 24"x24" pieces, which were supposed to by $3.18 each, but the cashier registered them as a dollar (I'm not arguing ).
OrangeJuiceAssassin wrote: | 1/4" thin? 2 stacked together or 1 by it's self? Get polycarbonate( Lexan is a brand, not it's name) If you're only doing 1. If you plan on playing on soft carpet then you should get thicker wood, but it'll be fine you're playing on a hard wood floor. ( I said hard wood )
-O.J.A. |
Lol, yeah, I'm playing on hardwood, otherwise I would just buy a good soft pad (those things slide around badly enough on carpets). Due to the 3/8 inch pieces on top it shouldn't be too flimsy, and I really need a thin, lightweight design because I don't think my parents would appreciate a 50 pound chunk of wood in the middle of the living room (my original weighs 47 lbs). I was thinking for plexi just one by itself (hence the 1/4 inch), though I will consider using two thinner (1/8 inch) sheets if I don't find a bargain (I'm gonna try some glass stores tomorrow on a tip from the guy at the aubuchon). The only problem with two sheets is then I need some brackets to hold them in. I was just going to velcro the plexi in place on top of the sensors in the one-layer design, but I'm sure I (or someone here) can think of something (no way I'm spending $20+ on corner brackets).
I have already made good headway on my design, and have the whole base and non-buttons cut, and 1 of them assembled (with the sheet metal). My design is very simple, and therefore is taking me next to no time to complete in comparison to the first one I built. I will be taking some photos (maybe make a tutorial on instractables or something), and once I finish the base I will post them. |
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5758. Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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@Crimson7: i'm making a guide for the CAT5 quick disconnect thing (actually the whole DDR pad AND a cabinet [when i have time])
the only reason i used the CAT5 cable was because i had quite a lot of extra bare wire (i routed most of the house) with the cable, and all i had to pick up was the female socket thing (not sure of the name either)
anyway, if you dont already have a crimper, and the plastic normal plugs, i would just use the d-sub idea. the tx style of pads usually have them as well. im not sure if i will, but i might make a simple guide for that later.
@penguinxtreme: uh just drill a hole in the 4 corners and screw them in place? thats what i did for my brothers pad (which im going to make it standard arcade size later)
it works nicely..there is the occasional time that your shoe gets stuck on the screw, but its all right..
other idea is to just cut a small square shaped piece of metal for the middle area, and then triangle pieces for the outside parts.
im not sure if you get that, but look at the CFs (i think) they use the idea im talking about: ill check tomm for sure, but i have to go for now
by the way, im nearing the 50%+ marker in my DDR pad tut for anyone insterested.
i hope to finish in a week or 2 _________________
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penguinxtreme Trick Member
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5759. Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 6:25 am Post subject: |
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Wow, I can't believe I didn't think of the hole drilling thing. I am still looking for 1/4inch, as the two 1/8inch pieces aren't nearly as sturdy as just having one 1/4inch piece. I did get something for the sensors; four "No Hunting" signs. Those signs are actually made of metal, but they seem pretty flexible, and I think they won't get bent permanently. They are also even thinner than CD case plastic, which is good as I have to make my buttons no more than 3/8inch tall to fit in with the non-buttons.
By the way, when I want to print the arrow designs, what do I do? Do I just put the pictures on a CD, and go to the nearest copy place, and ask them to print it on an 11x11 piece of adhesive paper stuff? |
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