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20. PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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But you said all of the other 12's seem alot easier...
Oh haha, my mistake. I meant to say that the other 12's seemed alot harder.
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21. PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was rerated a 12 partially due to scoring difficulties. Seriously, that many 64ths lead to more Excellents (Or Greats if you're like me)
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22. PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 10:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tyrgannus wrote:
It was rerated a 12 partially due to scoring difficulties. Seriously, that many 64ths lead to more Excellents (Or Greats if you're like me)


when wasn't it a 12?

you guys keep talking about how they re-rated it a 12, but i never knew it was ever not a 12 in the first place.
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23. PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Tyrgannus wrote:
It was rerated a 12 partially due to scoring difficulties. Seriously, that many 64ths lead to more Excellents (Or Greats if you're like me)


when wasn't it a 12?

you guys keep talking about how they re-rated it a 12, but i never knew it was ever not a 12 in the first place.




Maybe it was an 11 in the beta version.
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24. PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would agree that Go 60 Go was an 11 in the beta version. It's not that hard, except for the minefield and the crossovers. Still a 12 because it's hard to score on. The same issue occurred with Bloodrush when it was a 13 in the beta version. It should have stayed that way, though, since it's so damn hard.
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25. PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I would agree that Go 60 Go was an 11 in the beta version. It's not that hard, except for the minefield and the crossovers. Still a 12 because it's hard to score on. The same issue occurred with Bloodrush when it was a 13 in the beta version. It should have stayed that way, though, since it's so damn hard.
That slowdown is the hardest part for me because I just simply can't read it. Then the crossovers come up which I suck at. It is in fact a really hard 12 comparing it to Go *60* Go or VerTex, but it doesn't seem hard enough to be a 13. It's not far off though.
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26. PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 1:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In order from easiest (passing-wise) to hardest:

VerTex - This is incredibly easy. When I had first passed this, I had only passed one or two 11s. Even the slow part is just plain not hard to read.

Go 60 Go - Very BSable. The only even slightly difficult part is the jump-step-jump-step section.

Energizer - Draining and fast, but there really isn't much beyond that. No hardcore mine/hand segments, and relatively easy streams when compared to the likes of Delirium and Determinator. Difficult, sure, but easy to read and basically straightforward.

Tell - Another really BSable chart, although this is considerably harder than Go 60 Go due to the speed and a couple of nasty streams.

Determinator - This song is all about foot efficiency. If you can hit the arrows quickly without moving your feet a lot, this song's your oyster. Otherwise...

Delirium - Not even close to the easiest 12 in the game. This is more of a middle-of-the-road 12 witha hardcore stream at the end. Not Summer-esque, but difficult nonetheless.

Hardcore of the North - Draining as hell. The main thing this song has going for it is that the steps go very well with the rhythm. Still... 898 steps...

Euphoria - This is just barely beneath Bloodrush, in my opinion. All of the drills and crazy step cominations combined with the slowdown in the middle make this an incredibly difficult song to get through.

Bloodrush - And of course, Bloodrush is the toughest. 32nd streams, one-foot candles, and other dirty tricks make this a real contender for the 13s.
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27. PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 6:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess I just disagree that Bloodrush is the hardest 12, even though every other player holds too that. It's a pretty generic chart, and if you can read the slowdown, it shouldn't be too bad. Is it ONE of the hardest? Yes, but I honestly think Determinator is harder in both passing and scoring.

Oh, and Euphoria is pretty easy to pass if that's all you want to do. Easy sleezy BS if you don't mind getting a 65.XX on it
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28. PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Without speed changes and mines, Vertex is an 11.

Doubles 12s, easiest to hardest:
Vertex
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29. PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I guess I just disagree that Bloodrush is the hardest 12, even though every other player holds too that. It's a pretty generic chart, and if you can read the slowdown, it shouldn't be too bad. Is it ONE of the hardest? Yes, but I honestly think Determinator is harder in both passing and scoring.

Oh, and Euphoria is pretty easy to pass if that's all you want to do. Easy sleezy BS if you don't mind getting a 65.XX on it


Except for the middle and perhaps the end 24th runs, Determinator really isn't as hard as people make it out to be. Aside from those, it's more like a hard 10. Once again, it you can hit the arrows quickly without moving your feet a lot, it's really not that hard (for a 12).
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30. PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sir 0rion {DMC} wrote:
In order from easiest (passing-wise) to hardest:

VerTex - This is incredibly easy. When I had first passed this, I had only passed one or two 11s. Even the slow part is just plain not hard to read.

Go 60 Go - Very BSable. The only even slightly difficult part is the jump-step-jump-step section.

Energizer - Draining and fast, but there really isn't much beyond that. No hardcore mine/hand segments, and relatively easy streams when compared to the likes of Delirium and Determinator. Difficult, sure, but easy to read and basically straightforward.

Tell - Another really BSable chart, although this is considerably harder than Go 60 Go due to the speed and a couple of nasty streams.

Determinator - This song is all about foot efficiency. If you can hit the arrows quickly without moving your feet a lot, this song's your oyster. Otherwise...

Delirium - Not even close to the easiest 12 in the game. This is more of a middle-of-the-road 12 witha hardcore stream at the end. Not Summer-esque, but difficult nonetheless.

Hardcore of the North - Draining as hell. The main thing this song has going for it is that the steps go very well with the rhythm. Still... 898 steps...

Euphoria - This is just barely beneath Bloodrush, in my opinion. All of the drills and crazy step cominations combined with the slowdown in the middle make this an incredibly difficult song to get through.

Bloodrush - And of course, Bloodrush is the toughest. 32nd streams, one-foot candles, and other dirty tricks make this a real contender for the 13s.


And ! fits in between Delirium and Hardcore of the North.
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31. PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sir 0rion {DMC} wrote:
Except for the middle and perhaps the end 24th runs, Determinator really isn't as hard as people make it out to be. Aside from those, it's more like a hard 10. Once again, it you can hit the arrows quickly without moving your feet a lot, it's really not that hard (for a 12).


Well, Determinator suffers from the Disconnected Hyper- complex, where the vast majority of the song is pathetically easy, but it contains one mega stupid hard part for the rating it's in. The 16th streams in Hyper are flat out NOT what a 10 should be like, but it is rated a 10 because they figured the average player would have enough stamina and BS ability to flail a pass through it since that's the only part that provides difficulty. Same with Determinator, only it is faster, and MUCH more constant, meriting it the well deserved 12. Sure, most of Determinator is easy. In fact, the end run even isn't all that bad since it's a definite pattern, and thus easy to memorize and practice. That middle run however is fast, and long......and really hard compared to any section of any 12.

So essentially, I agree with you and disagree with you. If you can't consistantly pass the stream, then it doesn't matter how easy the rest is.
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And ! fits in between Delirium and Hardcore of the North.


Uh, ! is not a 12 anymore. It was changed in ITG PC.
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And ! fits in between Delirium and Hardcore of the North.


Uh, ! is not a 12 anymore. It was changed in ITG PC.


...And even if it were, I would put it between Energizer and Go 60 Go; definitely not between Delirium and HotN.
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And ! fits in between Delirium and Hardcore of the North.


Uh, ! is not a 12 anymore. It was changed in ITG PC.


ITG PC is gay and doesn't count. ! is so very underrated; I wonder how many people have actually played it...
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35. PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And ! fits in between Delirium and Hardcore of the North.


Uh, ! is not a 12 anymore. It was changed in ITG PC.


ITG PC is gay and doesn't count. ! is so very underrated; I wonder how many people have actually played it...


I agree that ! should be a 12. Those crossovers are a pain, that roll can be very dangerous with all those mines, and a few of the hands are really quick. But I don't think it fits inbetween with HotN and Delirium. ! is probably the easiest 12. I haven't passed Charlene (DAMN MINES!!! frust.gif ) Yet I can pass ! everytime. Also, Sir Orion, Delirium isn't that difficult of a 12. Hand pattern is easy to nail, one stretchy freeze crossover, few quick streams, some jumps, and then the deathrun. Only difficult section is death run, and I can get to last 10 seconds of it. Kinda sad, but I think I'll pass Delirium before Charlene.... disgust.gif
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GotACoolName wrote:
And ! fits in between Delirium and Hardcore of the North.


Uh, ! is not a 12 anymore. It was changed in ITG PC.


ITG PC is gay and doesn't count. ! is so very underrated; I wonder how many people have actually played it...


I agree that ! should be a 12. Those crossovers are a pain, that roll can be very dangerous with all those mines, and a few of the hands are really quick. But I don't think it fits inbetween with HotN and Delirium. ! is probably the easiest 12. I haven't passed Charlene (DAMN MINES!!! frust.gif ) Yet I can pass ! everytime. Also, Sir Orion, Delirium isn't that difficult of a 12. Hand pattern is easy to nail, one stretchy freeze crossover repeated several times, few quick streams, some jumps, and then the deathrun. Only difficult section is death run, and I can get to last 10 seconds of it. Kinda sad, but I think I'll pass Delirium before Charlene.... disgust.gif
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! is definitely more tiring than Delirium and slightly less tiring than Hardcore of the North for me. But I really think that Energizer and Determinator are both loads harder than HotN.
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Euphoria is the hardest 12
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39. PostPosted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 1:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Also, Sir Orion, Delirium isn't that difficult of a 12. Hand pattern is easy to nail, one stretchy freeze crossover, few quick streams, some jumps, and then the deathrun. Only difficult section is death run, and I can get to last 10 seconds of it. Kinda sad, but I think I'll pass Delirium before Charlene.... disgust.gif


Possibly, but I still consider it tougher than the five songs I listed before it (although Determinator is debatable). Bear in mind that this is a matter of opinion and personal experience, and no one list is going to accommodate every play style. For instance, I passed Charlene as my second 11, so... *shrug*
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