Roxor settlement officially accepted, RedOctane also settles

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i also believe many people are confusing hardware with software and programming. neither software nor programming are physical, tangible objects like the hardware. the patches for itg (how many did it take em??) are programmed software updates, and have nothing to do with the hardware of the machine. whether or not the marvelous window is perfectly synced with the song; should you step within that window, you will recieve a marvelous. the machine is perfectly capable of that. this is of course assuming the machine has been properly maintained, and is functioning as it should be. wear and tear, operator negligence, and broken sensors are hardly the fault of the hardware; and are usually the fault of the owner and users. a song's sync may suck, but thats not any grounds to do and ignorantly blame the hardware.

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my point has nothing to do with syncing or software programming. a marvelous window exists, and if you hit inside that window, you will recieve a marvelous. it makes no matter whether that window is perfectly on beat or not, because that has nothing to do with the hardware capabilities of the machine.

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wow, a legitemate double post. havent had one of these in a while.
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At least Roxor was kind enough to actually release multiple patches. I doubt we'll see Konami release anymore.

As much as I like SuperNOVA, ITG2 is a much more polished product and it is sad to see it (most likely) go.

I personally believe that the Marvellous window is fairly random and that is why only so many people have been able to somehow adjust to it and get really good scores. If we're to compare ITG to DDR, many more people (I think) have a higher ratio of Fantatics -> Excellents compared to Marvellous -> Perfects.

Now I know the Perfect window is bigger than the Fantastic window but smaller than the excellent window, but does anyone have any hard data on the timing window of Marvellous, I'd be interested in seeing said data.

Matt, I'd like to see you not be such a fanboy on this thread so we could have a little bit more of a legitamite discussion on this subject as I could see this actually being somewhat productive.
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Sorry about the double post here but I was researching about this lawsuit and I got to thinking, how come Konami sues ITG but not Stepmania or Pump it Up? DDR was the first, right? I don't know if I'm correct there so please correct me if I'm wrong. But it seems like so many people play Stepmania and that it may hurt DDR's business.
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its been said a thousand times over; they didnt sue because it was similar to ddr, or like ddr in any way. they suded because roxor FORCED arcade owners to gut out konami's ddr cabinets and illegally install the itg boxor kits into a machine roxor had no rights to. it was not untill itg2 that roxor/itg-specific cabinets were available. every other machine in any arcade was a bastardized, gutted piece of konami's patented property.
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Yup at least they made their on cabinets for ITG2 ... with money that was made off an original DDR Machine ( itg1) so either way , both machines were illegal . For Roxor to keep their machine, they would have had to do what they did with ITG2 , but with ITG1 ... that way they would be making money off of their own product ... not konami`s product. And then created ITG 2 and 3 , with money they would have earned with their own cabinet... That is why Konami sued Roxor ... it has nuthing to do with similarity ... there are thousands of products that are similar to each other and no one is sewing anyone ... their just competing.. Roxor made an amazing game out of DDR , remember that if DDr never existed they would be no ITG today ... but they made this amazing machine illegally , and that is why Konami has every right to sew roxor. If Roxor had patience and would have waited to make their own cabinet for ITG1... i honestly think that ITG would kick add and konami would have not been able to do anything. ITG s VERY Different form DDR m this goes fo the person who called ITG : Super Hard different music mix. The Timing, the fact you have non of those stupid caracters, the menu , they changed the arrows, in color which is a lot better than those stupid DDr arrows that make me feel High everytime i play, they reduced the background clarity, they changed the words for the difficulties , which SuperNOVA Copied form ITG ... Why is Challenge Expert now??soo gay. They changed the judgement words , as well as the type of music being used. They used a 36 Inch Flat screen, which is much eaiser to read .. and added all thes mods that compleely change the difficulty level of the game. forcing the players to play on 1.5X Default and Forcing them to use Mines and Holds at all times ... Really made the game much different from DDR. So like i said , if Roxor had their own stuff starting from ITG1 .. Their would not have ben a problem ... How much more different can a Game as general as : Arrows going up a screen: be? How much more different is Coke to Pepsi .. is anyone sewing each other for that , not really.

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no what i mant was the default speedwas 1.5 , like everytime u start a song without a USB ... its already set too 1.5 Hallway. even if they didnt take expert from ITG .. why did they change it anyway , that was my point .. why didnt they keep challenge , it was like a trademark for ddr.