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And why do you say that cfusionpm? do you have a solid reason why you believe taht is the only reason why ITG players play the game?
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There's not much of a challenge besides that. Plus I can't imagine anyone would play ITG only for its few well designed charts. Most of them are crap unless you truly find joy in hitting arrows really hard.

But as far as the DDR v. ITG difficulty: DDR does have a lot of reading challenges ITG doesn't. Heck, the crossovers in DDR alone are more challenging than most in ITG. You actually have to think about where you are stepping in DDR unlike ITG where you have to focus more on WHEN you are stepping and how fast you can alternate stepping with your right and left foot. It amazes me to see ITG fanboys knock off tempo change gimimicks and the like in DDR when ITG is one big gimmick- move your feet fast. That's the extent of almost every hard song... 16th note runs.

Now, I'm not saying that doesn't appeal to people. I HAVE NOT ONCE stated that it is wrong to like ITG or that my opinions are/should be taken as fact. All I'm saying is that the majority of Konami's fanbase, and 4-arrow-smash in general, perfers the type of stepcharts offered on DDR games and thus doesn't attempt to cater to its smallest niche because that will take a chance at losing the rest of their fanbase. Plus, no matter what Konami does the ITG niche will, for the most part, never be appeased. Most people who haven't been supporting Konami for the latest two rounds of home versions and SN will NEVER be happy with DDR again no matter what simply because they don't want to be. Why should Konami cater to a group that will always complain and act as though it is their requests that should be adhered to as opposed to the other 95% of people who play the game.

More 8-11 year old girls play DDR than anyone plays ITG. I'm sorry, but it's the truth. ITG-ers will never gain a foothold with Komani because they will ALWAYS be outweighed. I'm not saying DDR won't get harder, and I'm not saying they won't take advice from the hardcore niche. But they certainly have little reason to now and would benefit little from it.

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[allen the great]

ive read most of the posts here and i can safely say this:

first of all, i hope everyone understands that konami won, and dont go quoting me on that, get real..
second, itg was a fun game, more fun than ddr soley becuase it made the game harder, faster, and made more complex steps, come on, rolls, hands, its different. all ddr came up with, and still has with supernova (providing the fact that they have had knowledge of an itg game) is pure 16th notes. as oppose to itg who...well, play determinator, anyways

third, anyone, and i mean anyone, who plays itg, having played ddr before, weather your good or not, should make you a better player at ddr, PA wise and stamina wise. its just a given or else there really is something wrong with you.
um...what else

idk, its midnight in texas and i work tomorrow but yeah, my point across is that, understanding the legal rights, the illegal wants and needs that everyone wants for itg, and by reading this post, which by the way could probably sell as a book thanks to A Beautiful Collision (kudos) i ocnclude that we, in a general not ddr/itg players, but as dancing player altogether, should accept the fact that itg was good, ddr is ok, and thats all we have for now, at least for now. mabye people would appreciate going back to ddr and saying, aww, i miss almost getting a AAA on bumble bee cause face it, it all started as "which song was cooler to play" based on the song itself, then it grew to the steps, and now itg was the "oh i can last longer than you" bleh!

compare it to nintendo and playstation or xbox, lets see, nintedo stayed soley for kids, kiddie games, or family games if you will, xbox and playstation moved up a notch, with gore killing, real life situation etc., which by the way the "portal" game is prudy kool. but yeah, ddr is a family game, itg isnt, you dont see a 30 yr old dad or mom going and doing energyzer expert do you? no, 2 different games, names, styles, everything, just cause it was put in a similar machine does it for them.

love the game, the dancing game, and ....just dance. for damien, just cause it made you whatever you are now, gave you all that crap...it bought you out man, come on, its not competition, its a way to have fun based on songs.

anyone who wants to comment on this or wants to tell me anything, find me in the south forums in "anyone here from the rio grand valley?"
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The syncing on home versions depends almost entirely on your TV and pad, so any similarity to arcade syncing is coincidental. Your comparison between the two arcade games makes sense, though - ITG's syncing is generally better (more on the beat) than DDR's. However, ITG does have a tighter timing window than DDR.
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So um, is it bad that awhile ago I was watching Family Guy, and when Quagmire came on, I thought something to the effect of "Whoa, It's AA Bob!" (I don't remember if the exact thought was "It's AA Bob" or "It's AA Bob's avatar", but I don't think it matters in this case)?

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Look People..


with out DDR there would be no ITG fanbase... makers of ITG took the idea of DDR and enhanced it pretty much... which is why konami started a law suite and whatnot besides the whole patent issues and arrows.. who cares..


I hate it just as much as any ITG fan out there.. I love ITG.. it made me a way better player.. gave me better Stamina.. better PA.. better everything..

I started playing DDR and I was horribal at it about a year ago.. after that I started playing ITG cuz it was something new. and loved it.. ITG made me a better DDR player.. I didn't really understand the concept of the whole cross steping and jump steps.. ITG made me better at that...

Im not sided on this one.. I do hate what Konami did .. but I love both dance games.. "Including PIU"..

If Konami is smart "Which I hope they are" they will find a way to incorporate both dance games into one.. making one awesome Dance Franchise for all players from Novice to Expert...

for the ITG Fans I have one thing to say.. "Get over it" it was bound to happen.. and for the insane fanboys which isn't directed to anyone..

those ITG dance machines will not last forever.. eventually they will be replaced with probably a DDR machine since there is no more ITG.. so you either way your screwd..
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1- Personally I've never had a problem with ANYTHING on ITG minus how fast I'm moving my feet. Hands are easy enough after you've played Rome0 and Juli8 a couple of times. And complex rhythms? Where? I've yet to see a comkplex rhythym in ITG minus perhaps in a few of the songs on ITG2 (which admittedly I have very little experience with). Everything goes to the song so perfectly you just have to hear the song once to be able to figure anything out.

2- Well designed charts is subjective; however most people can agree that a repetitive chart using the same patteerns over and over throughout is not well designed. This is MOST of the songs on ITG1 and all of the songs I've played on ITG2 as of yet.

3- I typed that incoherently... I meant to say something like "fast" instead of "hard"

4- I've played ITG for hours on end. I own the first and have some minor experience with the second in arcades. All in all I've probably played ITG for over 100 hours. I've gotten stars on most of the hard charts and have attempted every expert charts; played most of them with the dualshock just to see what they were like all the way through. Don't make assumptions about me... as you can see last time you were wrong.

4b- Mines make reading difficult? Maybe on 1x, but using 1x isn't encouraged. Bump it up to 2x speed and mines don't even make reading hard in minefields.

5- Um, yes, I've played the game. And most of the crossovers are type of things. I've never had a problem reading a pattern on ITG with the exception of the slow down on Euphoria EXpert which took two tries to figure out. There are plenty of crossovers, even on 7s on Supernova, that still manage to confuse me today.

6- No... most ITG players have already labeled the tempo changes in SN a gimmick.

7- Most ITG players have already assigned themselves to protest and boycott... you may be one of the few reasonable ones here.

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