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TheManator
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60.  Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Let's not get started with the age old gravy train question of Stepmania's legality. |
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| 61. Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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I am sorry about that flame towards Konami, everyone. I really should have express my opinion in a kinder, less harsh way, and I promise it will not happen again.
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Liquid Zero
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| 62. Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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| TheBigP wrote: | | cfusionpm wrote: | | TheBigP wrote: | | DDR's appearence has gone down, from being a videogame for the hardcore arcade-goers to being a buzzword amoung 35 year olds in Toys-R-Us with 8 year old daughters. Because, as you said, there are more 8 year old gerls than there are hardcore arcade-goers. So, ITG comes along and tries to take the series in another direction, and it starts to work, leaving DDR to the kids and ITG to the gamers. But now we're forced to go back to DDR. And DDR isn't exactly that inviting. You might say hey, Supernova has FaxX and Chaos and Facination and Paranoia Respect and Max-Me-Mix and Xepher, which is okay, but honestly, that's six songs which aren't even that great. If you want a challenge on DDR, there's a couple songs per mix, the last few missions, then AAAing everything. |
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I'm saying it isn't very inviting to me. And I am not someone who bases the world off of groovestats, fyi. So anyway, what I'm saying is that the the new ddr games aren't fun if you are good. |
Whaat?? I'm not a purist of DDR or ITG or anything, since I have loved both ends, but I play the crap out of SuperNOVA and have fun the whole way through, and I'd say I "am good", in terms of PA/FA or whathaveyou. You're entitled to your opinion, but there's still plenty skilled players that get a kick on new DDR mixes. And basing a game solely on its 10-footers and other such tiny, high-end challenges is quite ridiculous. Sure, I can score great on a 10-footer, but don't often place my fun into that minor window of gameplay.
I also don't remember DDR ever being kid-exclusive, at least in recent years. People of a wide age-range have, and still do, seem to play the game at the arcade often (roughly early 20-somethings and below, maybe?). There's more 8-year olds than hardcore, yeah, but the game has had a good appeal beyond that little kid range for a long time now. DDR was always a "niche" type of game in comparison to other videogames, so if anything, it has always had something of a buzzword status, but it was still highly enjoyed by many, various people, whether they played it casually or regularly. ITG hardly changed that.
Oh, and we aren't forced to go back to anything, for all we know. We don't know what we have to go back to in the future. Either ITG gets killed, continued, or integrated with DDR somehow.
We also don't know if Konami might finally bring to us that certain stepchart quality in DDR, or other such qualities of gameplay that so many people have been wanting (and arguably been demonstrated in ITG), thanks to the gravity of this case, and the advantage Konami has over its conclusion.
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| 63. Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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OK two things
one if i was Roxor the last thing i would do quickly is add another update to make it so you can play any legth song on In the groove
two does that mean i cant buy red octane dance pads anymore |
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Scarenormous!
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| 66. Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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Hey what happens to everything that was done on ITG 3? The settlement doesn't say anything about Konami gaining access to all the codes, anything they were working on, any non-infringing ITG copyrights, and things like the songs. I assume Roxor could still use them if they ventured into other dance games. If so...
...you know how easy it is to switch stepmania into pump mode....
...and you know that Roxor has worked with Andamiro...
...and you know that Roxor's software can run on Andamiro's hardware...
...so stop thinking things like "ITG 3rd mix" or "In the Konami" and consider:
Pump It Up 8th featuring Roxor.
They could easily take the ITG3 engine, swap out all the stuff that says ITG for Pump stuff, change any 4panel-esque graphics to 5-panel then put it in a pump cabinet. Sure, they'd have to re-program all the steps and change around some stuff, but it'd be the most they could do without completely trashing what they already have. I mean, other than totally sell it to Konami.
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IHYD.Blake
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| 67. Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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Then Andamiro will be sued by both Konami and Roxor---oh boy.
Its like one big happy family!
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Scarenormous!
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| 68. Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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No, I mean Roxor do the programming and just use Andamiro's cabs like they did with ITG2 except also get permission to use the PIU name and likeness.
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IHYD.Blake
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| 69. Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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Then Konami will get mad again and sue even more.
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| 70. Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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I understand Konami had every legal right ever, but I don't know how good of a move it was.
Because they had rights to sue doesn't mean they had to, and obviously doesn't mean they couldn't, so it was their choice. They chose (probably) a motive out of greed of some sort.
Let's say money is the most important thing in the world and everyone should work for money. Ok, this lawsuit temporarily stunted dancing game growth. Are all dancing games dead? No.
Repeat, are all dancing games dead? No.
BUT, having the genre itself plateau by a short term choice for the pursuit of greed (that yes, they had legal right's to do) may just have given Konami LESS money in the long run due to the temporary stagnation of the genre.
Did Konami have the right to sue? Sure.
Do I think it was the best move? No.
Whether legal or not, MANY people, even some Konami fanboys (I know some in real life with this opinion), will look down upon Konami and probably spend less.
I don't know, I guess I'm just saying that in the long run, Konami is probably getting less money. The ITG crowd is a flea compared to the DDR crowd, especially revenue-wise.
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Scarenormous!
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| 71. Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 11:51 pm Post subject: |
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| IHYD.Blake wrote: | | Then Konami will get mad again and sue even more. |
Okay, you really don't get it. I'm saying that roxor should make PIU. We've established that Roxor could make other music games, and we've established that Konami can't sue PIU. So roxor could team up with AM and move the ITG 3 engine and use it in PIU = would kick buttocks with no legal consequences
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| 72. Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 11:54 pm Post subject: |
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| TheBigP wrote: | | IHYD.Blake wrote: | | Then Konami will get mad again and sue even more. |
Okay, you really don't get it. I'm saying that roxor should make PIU. We've established that Roxor could make other music games, and we've established that Konami can't sue PIU. So roxor could team up with AM and move the ITG 3 engine and use it in PIU = would kick buttocks with no legal consequences |
But Andamiro makes PIU just fine on it's own. It doesn't need the help of RoXoR.
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hurleyguyy
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| 73. Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 3:34 am Post subject: |
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Besides ITG is ITG, and it wouldn't be the same as PUMP.
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| 74. Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 3:49 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | But Andamiro makes PIU just fine on it's own. |
No it does not.
At least not, when comparing game mechanics and unique features, because then PIU purehardfails.
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Edible Bondage Tape
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| 75. Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 5:20 am Post subject: |
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| Rodent wrote: | | Quote: | | But Andamiro makes PIU just fine on it's own. |
No it does not.
At least not, when comparing game mechanics and unique features, because then PIU purehardfails.
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| 76. Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 9:14 am Post subject: |
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Hey guys, are you having fun getting completely off-topic?
Anything we state right now regarding the future of In the Groove (in any of it's forms) is pure speculation. Anyone with "inside" information has probably also signed a non-disclosure form, so don't expect to hear any sort of leaks.
Konami had every right, ITG fanbase isn't that large it's just more vocal, etc etc etc.
Seriously, before posting any more opinionated garbage in this thread, read the other thread in it's entirety as I'm sure it's already been said at least 2 or 3 times.
Speaking of opinionated garbage, I just like playing dancing games. Yes I prefer DDR over the other 2, but I will occasionally play ITG or PIU. It's because THEY ARE GAMES MEANT FOR FUN NOT SERIOUS DISCUSSIONS.
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Liquid Zero
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| 77. Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 10:49 am Post subject: |
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| Tyrgannus wrote: |
Whether legal or not, MANY people, even some Konami fanboys (I know some in real life with this opinion), will look down upon Konami and probably spend less. |
That's very hard for me to picture as being something significant.
I could hate Konami to death, but if another DDR mix or console game came out, and I saw promising features, I'm still going to buy/play it without hesitation. What a company has done behind the scenes would hardly change my spending habits toward DDR, because when it comes down to it, the game is what matters most. A vendetta towards a court case is only going to take us so far before we want to just plain stomp on arrows again, be it DDR or ITG.
But yes, there may be people out there who will spend less becuase of "what Konami did", but I highly doubt it will be to any significant degree. It could be more significant if ITG's fanbase wasn't so tiny in comparison to DDR's, and if more people knew about the case (and ITG, for that matter) to begin with.
And depending on what they actually do with ITG, we can determine if Konami actually will be losing money in the long run.
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| 78. Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 12:16 pm Post subject: |
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Define 'many' here.
You mean many from the small niche base of people on ITG and DDRfreak or do you mean from the player base at large, of which they probably have no clue about any of this?
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| 79. Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 1:37 pm Post subject: |
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The thing is, the main fanbase for DDR probably has never or never will come to any of these sites.
Simple as that.
I remember PF (either in the ITG discussion forum here or at itgfreak - I forget which) saying they were having trouble getting ITG3 off the ground anyways since the game was costing them more to license songs and make cabs than they were selling the cabs. |
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