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0. PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 11:09 am    Post subject: MAX. AAA's Reply with quote

Who else has AAA'ed MAX. the honest way, besides Chris4Life? No Stepmania, no Dancing With Intensity, NO CMODS etc. Just plain old DDR Extreme Japanese PS2. Anybody?

Oh, and while on the subject of MAX., doesn't it have Oni steps? I forget. One more thing- has it ever been AAA'ed on Heavy (or possibly challenge) doubles?

If there is some DDR home version score site that I've missed, then I appologize and wouldn't mind this thread locked.
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1. PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 11:34 am    Post subject: Re: MAX. AAA's Reply with quote

DDRpizza wrote:
Oh, and while on the subject of MAX., doesn't it have Oni steps?

Yeah, but they're pretty easy compared to the Heavy steps.
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2. PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have not witnessed any AAA's for this monster, however, I did see a video of someone full comboing the song with less than 5 greats. The chart for heavy is not hard but it is lame!!!

How could anyone expect to properly hit the jumps that can force a 90 degree pivot at over 300bpms? You have to have the best dance equipment in your house to even practice and for our arcade's sake, this song needs to remain as a home version exclusive.

Don't promote those perfect attackers need to stomp arcades out of order.
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3. PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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How could anyone expect to properly hit the jumps that can force a 90 degree pivot at over 300bpms?

Uh...by pivoting 90 degrees? Honestly, it's not that difficult. I'd call it a mid to hard 11 on the ITG scale. And why would you say "the chart for heavy is not hard" and then proceed to complain about how hard the Heavy chart is?
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4. PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 11:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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why would you say "the chart for heavy is not hard" and then proceed to complain about how hard the Heavy chart is?

Drugs and tv.
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5. PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The jumps in Tension are harder than Max.'s jumps. The hardest part of Max. is reading 600BPM and Paing that unbelievably odd section before the speedup.

And why is SM fake? If you play with not lolol easy timings, play on a pad and not your fingers, don't use C-mods, and have no assist tick, then it is 100% legitimate. Heck, it'll probably be harder than doing it on Extreme Japan, becaue ExJapan has a fairly large timing window.

I bet a few others have done it "honestly" as you say. As much as you might not realize it, the only thing making Max. harder to AAA than MaxX Unlimited is the sync issue. Seriously
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6. PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tyrgannus wrote:
The jumps in Tension are harder than Max.'s jumps.


Even MAX 300 SMMMO is harder.
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7. PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

this isn't all that hard; the only hard part is the 300 section being too slow because you can't put on speed mods because of the 600 section, or the 600 section being way too fast because of speed mods to read the 300 section better. i bet a lot of Japanese people have AAA'd it.
and i agree with tyrgannus 100% about SM not being fake. it's what i use and as long as you don't set it up to be cheap, it's not.
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8. PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Tyrgannus wrote:
The jumps in Tension are harder than Max.'s jumps.


Even MAX 300 SMMMO is harder.

No it isnt.
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9. PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kevin Boddy has most likely done it.
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10. PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ddrmaster5 did it before it was released and while he was still a fetus
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11. PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 11:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Evil_pied wrote:
Milk Chan wrote:
Tyrgannus wrote:
The jumps in Tension are harder than Max.'s jumps.


Even MAX 300 SMMMO is harder.

No it isnt.


Umm, why isn't it Evil_pied? MAX 300 SMMMO has longer jump chains at a faster BPM......so...wouldn't MAX 300 SMMMO's jumps be harder than Max.'s?

The answer is yes.

And if you were referring to Max.'s overall difficulty compared to Max 300 SMMMO overall difficulty, then you aren't very good at reading quotes within quotes and this gathering context.

Also, why is Max. overall harder than Max 300 SMMMO? I believe difficulty is derived by what your feet have to do, I mean after all, it is a dance game. With that metric, SMMMO is faster, longer, more constant, jumpier, and has crossovers.

Max. has a speed up with unbelievably simple patterns. No really, the patterns are really simple. If you can read it, you can pass it. SMMMO is harder in my book
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12. PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 11:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tyrgannus wrote:
Evil_pied wrote:
Milk Chan wrote:
Tyrgannus wrote:
The jumps in Tension are harder than Max.'s jumps.


Even MAX 300 SMMMO is harder.

No it isnt.


Umm, why isn't it Evil_pied?
Because I'm Evil_pied, and it's just a song.
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MAX 300 SMMMO has longer jump chains at a faster BPM......so...wouldn't MAX 300 SMMMO's jumps be harder than Max.'s?
Since when are jump chains hard in the first place? The jump chains are the easiest parts of both songs, so the fact that SMMMO has longer jump-chains makes it easier.
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The answer is yes.

And if you were referring to Max.'s overall difficulty compared to Max 300 SMMMO overall difficulty, then you aren't very good at reading quotes within quotes and this gathering context.
I was referring to the overall difficulty.
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Also, why is Max. overall harder than Max 300 SMMMO? I believe difficulty is derived by what your feet have to do, I mean after all, it is a dance game. With that metric, SMMMO is faster, longer, more constant, jumpier, and has crossovers.
So, according to you...scroll speed has ABOLUTELY NOTHING to do with a songs difficulty? To test your theory, I will make a song with 50 steps ay 5000 bpm, and see how many people can even pass it.
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Max. has a speed up with unbelievably simple patterns.
And SMMMO doesn't have a very simple death-run?
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No really, the patterns are really simple.
Ok, fine, they're simple.
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If you can read it, you can pass it.
Then passing SMMMO shouldn't be a problem.
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13. PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your logic continues to amaze. Half the time you didn't even answer my post directly and the other half was opinion or "because I'm Evil_pied".

And scroll speed still isn't a major factor. If I really wanted to, I could get a stepchart for your 50 note song at 5000BPM and AAA it from memorization. Simple memorization won't help you in a death run if you can't move your feet fast enough, thus the true difficulty of a song is indeed the steps themselves.

If you think I'm just digging myself out of a hole, I got Chaos on SM and after 3 tries AA'd FC'd. Why? because I memorized the stops. I memorized parts of Max.'s first run the first time I ever played it.

Oh, and I noticed that you didn't address the stamina issue in SMMMO or the crossovers, after all, they conveninietly work against you in favor of saying Max. is harder.
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14. PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 2:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Evil_pied wrote:
what


Yeah, nice job reading what I was referring to. I wasn't saying that MAX 300 SMMMO is harder (although honestly for me it is since I sightread it once), but I was referring to the person who said that the jumps in MAX.(Period) are hard and cause for "90 degree pivots". Then he said Tension's jumps are harder and I said MAX 300 SMMMO is harder with jumps too.
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15. PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 9:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you think that logic is a factor in what I type, you are sorely mistaken.

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And scroll speed still isn't a major factor. If I really wanted to, I could get a stepchart for your 50 note song at 5000BPM and AAA it from memorization.
Well if you really wanted to, I suppose you could stop being a sissypants know-it-all. But that's not going to happen is it?

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If you think I'm just digging myself out of a hole, I got Chaos on SM and after 3 tries AA'd FC'd. Why?
Because chaos is easy.

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Oh, and I noticed that you didn't address the stamina issue in SMMMO or the crossovers, after all, they conveninietly work against you in favor of saying Max. is harder.
crossovers contribute about as much difficulty ti SMMMO as the speed up does for max. As for stamina, SMMMO has many opprotunities to rest. So, stamina shouldn't be an issue (particularly for someone who AA'd chaos fc on their 3rd try.)
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16. PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Evil_pied wrote:
As for stamina, SMMMO has many opprotunities to rest. So, stamina shouldn't be an issue (particularly for someone who AA'd chaos fc on their 3rd try.)

Come now, this is just grasping at straws: CHAOS takes precision, someone who could AAA CHAOS could be miles away from the stamina required to pass even MAX 300.

Perhaps the large freeze section and slowdown in MAX 300 (Super-Max-Me Mix) is a nice break, but so is the entire PARANOiA slowdown in MAX. (period). Anyways, given that MAX. (period) is only available on a home version, I imagine it's been "legitimately" AAA'd quite a few times over.
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17. PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Honestly people..This thread is being turned into an arguement over the difficulty of Max songs.

Evil_Pied, your posts are filled with nothing but your opinions and you fail to provide a legitamate response.

Tyrgannus, the fact that you AA'd Chaos is impressive indeed. You memorize it just like you do Max.(Period), but don't forget the fact that reading 600 bpm is difficult for many and memorizing it isn't a simple task. You say Max 300 SMMMO is harder, yet that is still your opinion.

My point: Many people find different songs to be harder than others. Some think MaxX Unlimited is harder than PSMO, yet others find PSMO simple and still have trouble with Max 300. It all depends on the person playing the game and what THEY feel is easier or more difficult for them.

Now...about Max.(Period) AAA's... disturb.gif
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18. PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 11:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

AA Bob wrote:
trayball2k wrote:
How could anyone expect to properly hit the jumps that can force a 90 degree pivot at over 300bpms?

Uh...by pivoting 90 degrees? Honestly, it's not that difficult. I'd call it a mid to hard 11 on the ITG scale. And why would you say "the chart for heavy is not hard" and then proceed to complain about how hard the Heavy chart is?


Ok let me clarify.
Easy for ME to read until the end and for others (Let them speak for themselves)

Hard for ME to dance to and makes ME not want to choose it in the ARCADE

Just plain fun at home for ME

Accounting for and respecting everyones opinion when I speak.

I am famous for offering opinion and running for the hills. I only defend my point to keep peace with DDR Freaks here. Hope this helps everyone in the near future.
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19. PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Max.(period) wrote:
Now...about Max.(Period) AAA's... disturb.gif


FINALLY!
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