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LatexBlanky
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100.  Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 1:16 pm Post subject: |
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| i dont think its the last mix. im sure konami will throw something special together in 2008 |
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Xayro
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| 101. Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 2:15 pm Post subject: |
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Every topic on here is always ITG vs DDR.
Keep ITG in the In The Groove forum or ITGfreak.com.
Keep DDR here, but out of the ITG forum.
I personally hate ITG, and its all I have access to right now, but I'm not going to say its the worst dance game ever in a DDR topic. (Mainly because it isn't the worst..... MC Dance Craze is...)---------------------------------------------------------
SuperNOVA isn't the last mix, but it will be the last for a while. At least until the 10th anniversary. Then I hope we see a DDR mix with a ton of IIDX crossovers (the good music), and a medium amount of older DDR songs. Maybe peak the music to 500 songs.
Or maybe they'll just keep releasing song packs like they are adding this one song with the update.
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Evil_pied
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| 102. Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Tyrgannus wrote: | | Evil_pied wrote: | | Tyrgannus wrote: | Agreed, this is a fairly stupid patent if you think about it. It would be like if the makers of Doom sued Microsoft because they made Halo, and Halo is a shooter.
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But doom didn't patent the first person perspective in the medium of a video game. If they did, they could sue every other fps developer. Anyways, there are WAY more differences in gameplay and mechanics between doom and halo then there are between DDR and ITG.
As I've said before, the only differences between the two.
Mines, Hands, music, mods.
Now, imagine that a company besides bungie came out and made a game EXACTLY the same as halo except for the fact that the soundtrack was different, there were more weapons, the game was harder, and there weren't any characters in the game.
Think Microsoft or bungie would sue? Of course they would.
This is the same situation as it is now between konami and roxor. |
You missed my point. I'm saying the whole sue happy world is stupid. And besides, do you know what you get when you have a different soundtrack, different guns, different level of difficulty, and no characters?
Yeah, you get Unreal Tournament. Oh look, no lawsuit. shooters just don't sue eachother if you haven't noticed. |
Lol, I said more guns...not different ones. In my comparison guns=mods and ITG has ALOT of the same mods as DDR.
Plus, UT has characters, and ones that are way different from Halo.
Plus, Halo's campaign is way different from the any of the UTs.
Plus, UT is also 3rd person sometimes.
Plus, all the levels are very different between the two games.
Plus, the games have NOTHING in common besides the fps aspect, and even that is questionable.
DDR and ITG are EXACTLY THE SAME besides for mines, music, hands, and mods. ITG is a BLATANT ripoff of DDR.
There's nothing anybody can say or do that will change that fact.
I'm sorry, but you can't expect konami NOT to sue ITG.
How many times did people say that konami would sue before they did, countless I'm sure. You're telling me that roxor didn't see it coming?
Of course they did, they took the easy way by not talking to konami and are paying for it now. It's their own fault, konami is perfectly justified to sue and to win the lawsuit. This may be a sue happy world that we live in, but nothing is going to change that. Especially not whining.
Money drives this world, and money can make people do stupid things.
Konami suing roxor is a money driven decision.
Konami employees need to feed their families and so do roxor's, that's why it's such a cutthroat business.
Xayro-this isn't ITG vs. DDR.
It's konami vs. Roxor and the justification for the lawsuit between them.
Side note.
DDR's home versions are some of the best selling konami games right now. |
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KingofLight06
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| 103. Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Evil_pied wrote: | 1) Plus, UT has characters, and ones that are way different from Halo.
2) Plus, Halo's campaign is way different from the any of the UTs.
3) Plus, UT is also 3rd person sometimes.
4) Plus, all the levels are very different between the two games.
5) Plus, the games have NOTHING in common besides the fps aspect, and even that is questionable.
DDR and ITG are EXACTLY THE SAME besides for mines, music, hands, and mods. ITG is a BLATANT ripoff of DDR.
There's nothing anybody can say or do that will change that fact.
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All right, I'll make a comparison, with your comparisons:
1) DDR has characters, ITG doesn't (in gameplay)
2) ITG's target bar and noteskins are way different from the any of the DDRs
3) ITG can also have a different perspective than overhead
4) ITG's screen layout is quite different from DDR
5) Plus, the games have very little in common besides the four arrow configuration (gameplay style)
DDR and ITG are NOT EXACTLY THE SAME and ITG has mines, different music, hands, rolls, and mods. ITG is NOT a BLATANT ripoff of DDR.
There's something someone can say or do to change that fact.
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| 104. Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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i think that there will be 1 more arcade mix in 2008 like many people are saying...called DDR:FINAL or something. Theres just not a whole lot konami can do now with DDR except make new songs, and i'm sure the US DDR craze will be dead by 2008.
And the premier song will be 2008 by naoki...its all to perfect for konami to end DDR on the 10th mix in its 10th year.
Wow, 10 years is a LONGGGG time.....seems like just yesterday i was playing a brand new N64....
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| 105. Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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| KingofLight06 wrote: | | Evil_pied wrote: | 1) Plus, UT has characters, and ones that are way different from Halo.
2) Plus, Halo's campaign is way different from the any of the UTs.
3) Plus, UT is also 3rd person sometimes.
4) Plus, all the levels are very different between the two games.
5) Plus, the games have NOTHING in common besides the fps aspect, and even that is questionable.
DDR and ITG are EXACTLY THE SAME besides for mines, music, hands, and mods. ITG is a BLATANT ripoff of DDR.
There's nothing anybody can say or do that will change that fact.
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All right, I'll make a comparison, with your comparisons:
1) DDR has characters, ITG doesn't (in gameplay)
2) ITG's target bar and noteskins are way different from the any of the DDRs
3) ITG can also have a different perspective than overhead
4) ITG's screen layout is quite different from DDR
5) Plus, the games have very little in common besides the four arrow configuration (gameplay style)
DDR and ITG are NOT EXACTLY THE SAME and ITG has mines, different music, hands, rolls, and mods. ITG is NOT a BLATANT ripoff of DDR.
There's something someone can say or do to change that fact.
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Evil_pied: You totally contridicted yourself by saying: "DDR and ITG are EXACTLY THE SAME besides for mines, music, hands, and mods. ITG is a BLATANT ripoff of DDR."
if there are differences, how can they be exactly the same? |
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AA Bob
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| 106. Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Matzi wrote: | Evil_pied: You totally contridicted yourself by saying: "DDR and ITG are EXACTLY THE SAME besides for mines, music, hands, and mods. ITG is a BLATANT ripoff of DDR."
if there are differences, how can they be exactly the same? |
He didn't say that they're exactly the same. He said that they're exactly the same except for mines, music, hands, and mods. "Exactly the same" is different from "exactly the same except for x." He didn't contradict himself.
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KingofLight06
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| 107. Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 9:12 am Post subject: |
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| AA Bob wrote: | | Matzi wrote: | Evil_pied: You totally contridicted yourself by saying: "DDR and ITG are EXACTLY THE SAME besides for mines, music, hands, and mods. ITG is a BLATANT ripoff of DDR."
if there are differences, how can they be exactly the same? |
He didn't say that they're exactly the same. He said that they're exactly the same except for mines, music, hands, and mods. "Exactly the same" is different from "exactly the same except for x." He didn't contradict himself. |
Maybe so, but it's not true, and he did forget about the rolls  . |
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AA Bob
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| 108. Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 9:21 am Post subject: |
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Oh, silly me. How could I forget that rolls are the biggest difference between DDR and ITG, especially since they're used so often...
The pie is right. DDR and ITG are centered around the EXACT same concept. ITG uses many, MANY of DDR's characteristics. I'm not saying that it's a bad thing, nor am I saying that I can't see why many people prefer ITG. But if you truly believe that ITG and DDR are fundamentally and wholly different, then there is really no hope for you.
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| Emptyeye wrote: | | So um, is it bad that awhile ago I was watching Family Guy, and when Quagmire came on, I thought something to the effect of "Whoa, It's AA Bob!" (I don't remember if the exact thought was "It's AA Bob" or "It's AA Bob's avatar", but I don't think it matters in this case)? |
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KingofLight06
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| 109. Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 9:40 am Post subject: |
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| AA Bob wrote: | Oh, silly me. How could I forget that rolls are the biggest difference between DDR and ITG, especially since they're used so often...
The pie is right. DDR and ITG are centered around the EXACT same concept. ITG uses many, MANY of DDR's characteristics. I'm not saying that it's a bad thing, nor am I saying that I can't see why many people prefer ITG. But if you truly believe that ITG and DDR are fundamentally and wholly different, then there is really no hope for you. |
Yeah, that one gameplay concept (which I did state in my last post). I can't really think of any other fundamental similarities of characteristics that they share. I would like to see a list of these many similar characteristics (other than the four arrow gameplay concept), because apparently I'm just oblivious to them.
I'll make another comparison:
Street Fighter and Tekken are based around the same major concept. Fight to drain you opponents life bar and win. They really don't have a lot more in common. hmmmmmmmmmmm..................... |
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AA Bob
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| 110. Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 11:08 am Post subject: |
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| KingofLight06 wrote: | | Yeah, that one gameplay concept (which I did state in my last post). I can't really think of any other fundamental similarities of characteristics that they share. |
They don't need to share any other ones.
The main aspect of DDR and ITG isn't the list of mods.
Or the layout of the songwheel.
Or the grading system.
Or the design of the results screen.
Or the graphics.
Or even the songs.
The main, central aspect of both games is that you have four arrows on the ground arranged like this:
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And four arrows on the screen arranged like this:
And there are arrows that normally scroll up the screen.
And when they get to the top, you press the corresponding arrow on the pad you're standing on.
When you take all the extras away, that's what you're left with. And that's what both games are all about. They, like I said before, are centered around the EXACT same concept.
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| Emptyeye wrote: | | So um, is it bad that awhile ago I was watching Family Guy, and when Quagmire came on, I thought something to the effect of "Whoa, It's AA Bob!" (I don't remember if the exact thought was "It's AA Bob" or "It's AA Bob's avatar", but I don't think it matters in this case)? |
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KingofLight06
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| 111. Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 11:22 am Post subject: |
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| KingofLight06 wrote: | I'll make another comparison:
Street Fighter and Tekken are based around the same major concept. Fight to drain you opponents life bar and win. They really don't have a lot more in common. hmmmmmmmmmmm..................... |
Yes, I agree with you that they are both centered around that main idea.
Now, I think the four arrow configuration can be compared to this comparison that I made. Same main idea, with almost everything else completely different. |
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AA Bob
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| 112. Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 11:40 am Post subject: |
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What real differences (as in, differences that matter) are there besides mines, music, hands, mods, and rolls? DDR and ITG are essentially the same game. Stepmania is a DDR simulator, and ITG is Stepmania.
Oh, and arrow-smash games are the only video games I play, so your Street Fighter vs. Tekken comparison is lost on me.
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| Emptyeye wrote: | | So um, is it bad that awhile ago I was watching Family Guy, and when Quagmire came on, I thought something to the effect of "Whoa, It's AA Bob!" (I don't remember if the exact thought was "It's AA Bob" or "It's AA Bob's avatar", but I don't think it matters in this case)? |
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| 113. Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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| KingofLight06 wrote: | | Evil_pied wrote: | 1) Plus, UT has characters, and ones that are way different from Halo.
2) Plus, Halo's campaign is way different from the any of the UTs.
3) Plus, UT is also 3rd person sometimes.
4) Plus, all the levels are very different between the two games.
5) Plus, the games have NOTHING in common besides the fps aspect, and even that is questionable.
DDR and ITG are EXACTLY THE SAME besides for mines, music, hands, and mods. ITG is a BLATANT ripoff of DDR.
There's nothing anybody can say or do that will change that fact.
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All right, I'll make a comparison, with your comparisons:
1) DDR has characters, ITG doesn't (in gameplay)
2) ITG's target bar and noteskins are way different from the any of the DDRs
3) ITG can also have a different perspective than overhead
4) ITG's screen layout is quite different from DDR
5) Plus, the games have very little in common besides the four arrow configuration (gameplay style)
DDR and ITG are NOT EXACTLY THE SAME and ITG has mines, different music, hands, rolls, and mods. ITG is NOT a BLATANT ripoff of DDR.
There's something someone can say or do to change that fact.
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I'm not going to flame you, but I will prove you wrong.
1. I already said that.
2. You can change the noteskins in many DDR games, does that mean that there are 20 different games in each home version of ddr?
3. SO CAN DIDDER
4. The screen layouts between DDR games are different and yet they are still all DDR...
5. Gameplay is the biggest aspect of the game.
Other similarites-Scoring and grading system, very similar interface, similar and some of the same music, same bar, similar sized dance platform, I could go on...
Matzi. Follow this set of general rules before posting.
1. Read conversation leading up to the post you are responding to.
2. Read the post in question.
3. Make sure you completely understand the said post.
4. Push either the "quote" button or the "post reply" button.
5. Draft your response to the said post.
6. Read your post from the point of view of another person.
7. Either revise your post, or aprove and post it.
8. Choose to either navigate to the root forum that the topic is contained in, or view your post.
This, and a basic understanding if the english language will keep you from making any mistakes while posting. |
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| 114. Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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| KingofLight06 wrote: | | AA Bob wrote: | | Matzi wrote: | Evil_pied: You totally contridicted yourself by saying: "DDR and ITG are EXACTLY THE SAME besides for mines, music, hands, and mods. ITG is a BLATANT ripoff of DDR."
if there are differences, how can they be exactly the same? |
He didn't say that they're exactly the same. He said that they're exactly the same except for mines, music, hands, and mods. "Exactly the same" is different from "exactly the same except for x." He didn't contradict himself. |
Maybe so, but it's not true, and he did forget about the rolls . |
Then I suppose that when DDR started to provide freeze arrows on 6th mix all the mixes after 5th are were no longer DDR. |
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| 115. Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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Wasn't the lawsuit over the arcade cabinent? Maybe if Konami wasn't so busy suing underdogs, we'd get more mixes.  |
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KingofLight06
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| 116. Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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I could respond back, but I'm not going to for the following reason.
This debate is quite pointless IMO to keep on doing, because just about everyone, including myself, will never change their mind. It's just not worth the effort. |
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| 117. Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Lord GS-41 wrote: | | Wasn't the lawsuit over the arcade cabinent? Maybe if Konami wasn't so busy suing underdogs, we'd get more mixes. |
We just got a new mix, in case you haven't heard.
Plus ITG3 is in the works. I don't think the lawsuit is impacting how many new games either of the companies develop. |
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| 118. Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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Hey! every game has a problem, including DDR and the oh-so perfect In The Groove, i mean sure Konami is selfish and doesn't listen to their fans but every game is equal.
do something about it, make songs, try to make ddr and itg to team up.
i may sound crazy and i mean really crazy but we should force the others to think these two games are equal.
Oh, and please keep on the topic.
One more thing, please try to stop Konami from acting like idiots.
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| 119. Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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| It's easy to milk a dead cow, they got there kiddy mixes prepping people to play. When the serious itg players stop there will be average DDR players eating arcade machines up. |
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