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guariche
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20.  Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 10:58 am Post subject: |
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I love it when only a sentence of a paragraph is quoted. I was talking about ONI courses when I wrote...
guariche wrote:
Now I am sure that no one has had 100% marvelouses.
Then FLCL replied
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Wrong.
Doing a quick check through DD:Recall, I do not see anyone who had completed an ONI course and had 100% marvelouses. Even if one did, that person would be one of the elite few in the WORLD to do that. I see that Pickles does pretty well, and I believe he does not play with the bar. Quite the dude. I wrote 100% marvelous, not 100% perfect, and I was referring to ONI courses.
I think for DDR to be more acceptable as a sport, (as I talked about before), there should be standards such as no bar, no modifiers, and no performing enhancing drugs.  Furthermore, players should be required to go through an ONI course that is challenging (Legend Road for example) without the bar.
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| 22. Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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DDR is a video game and everyone will agree
DDR is also a physical game and everyone will agree.
High difficulties such as Legend Road are fairly exhausting and MOST people will agree.
DDR can be a form of exercise if done regulary and MOST people will agree.
I wouldn't mind if DDR became a sport and had teams for the major cities that competed every year for the National DDR winner. Unfortunately, DDR is too easy to do this. Heck, ITG is borderline too easy unless you whore out Vertex^2. The only way possible for DDR to be ever deemed a true sport would be to have stepchart artists making 12's and 13's on the fly and give them to the competitors and they would have to SIGHTREAD it simultaneously. If you give {Insert amazing Dancing game player here} Pandemonium expert and say it's gonna be on a national competition, he can whore it out and get a high star rating (For all you DDR's 97% which is quite insane for Pandemonium, trust me) But, if you make a 13 stepchart for, oh lets say Legend of Max and have people sightread it, then it will be a true comparison on their skills when thrown into a challenge head on.
Wow, I rambled. Anyway, DDR won't become a sport. It would be cool if they did what I said in the previous paragraph, but its not going to happen. If you want insane competition, have a good stepchart artist go make a crazy edit and compete against someone on it.
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Dakota
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| 23. Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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DDR doesn't have a big enough fanbase to become a sport
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| 24. Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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| I notice that a lot of what is considered a "sport" is based upon fan approval. Are there actually anythings that could actually be considered "a sport" even if only 2 people watched it? |
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| 25. Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 2:55 pm Post subject: |
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| OMGWTFDIE wrote: | haha, wow
There're exceptions to the rules I said beforehand. Some more sports that are exceptions, which you didn't mention, include Net ball, badminton, swimming, track and field and a bajillion others. Hey, why don't we start with the definition for sport? Physical activity that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often engaged in competitively. What are the rules for DDR? STEP ON THE ARROWS. Not very much...DDR is all skill, and no strategy.
and if you want to be really good at DDR, you do practice.By playing DDR. You can't do drills or runs or anything else. i mean, you can't just pick up DDR for the first time and play Max 300 on heavy. unless your a prodigy of some kind.
theres no positions in golf or tennis, or racing.
and you can have coahes and captains. the captain of a DDR team. and a coach would just be someone to tell you where yopu need improvement and what to practice. Now that would just be stupid <-- opinion
if youve ever been to a competition or at least seen one in a video there is a crowd, and they do in fact cheer people on. Crowds of what...15 people at best. Unlike a typical high school football game where the stands are flooded with hundreds of people that PAYED to WATCH. Would you pay to watch someone play didder? I wouldn't...
and a home or away game would be going to someone elses place and DDRing. duh? and who says that everyone has the same machine? Konami... your school might have one mix, while another school could have a completely different mix, which forces your players to sightread songs that the other school has seen before. Which is pretty stupid and vice versa.
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DDR can be just as physically demanding as some sports (though not many. You get to a point that you won't even get tired unless you do 3 maxes in a row) but that doesn't mean it's a sport. I can rup up and down my stairs for 2 hours and I'll get pretty tired, but that isn't becoming a sport.
DDR also doesn't have a big enough fan base. There's fans, of course, but nowhere NEAR as much as a FRACTION of real sports, and the numbers get smaller every day. And would you actually pay to go see a DDR "game"? I mean, what would that be like even. Schools cut good sports like soccer and tennis sometimes before people don't go to enough games or pay enough attention. A DDR game would get NO attention.
Liking DDR is all well and good, but I hate having to put up with geeky kids that want DDR to be the next ultra thing that everyone loves. Not everyone loves your game as much as you do. Period. I play DDR, I like it a lot, it's my favorite game, but even I know that it can't be a sport.[/quote]
although DDR has little rules, they are still in place. and DDR does have strategy in it. albeit not much, but crossovers vs. doublestepping..... hmm lets see, to make that choice. o wait, thats a choice about how to play. hence that is a strategy. psyching someone out before playing is a strategy, probably not a well respected one, but a strategy nonetheless.
and freestylers generally come up with routines to do..... and then perfect them before they go to a competition. doing said routine is called practice. so you can practice for DDR.
on the crowds topic, at places like conventions, there ios generally a much larger crowd than 15 at best. you have to take into account the fact that the camera is not going to move away from the player just to look at the crowd.
and konami doesn't say everyone has the same mix of DDR, they never released an official press statement saying every DDR machine in america is exactly the same. nor do they force arcade owners to buy the new mixes when they come out.
and the whole sightreading thing is once again opinion. you say it is stupid, but sightreading is a true test of your reaction time and ability to read arrows fast.
if you were to put up rules about how to run up your stairs, and then were to compete against other stair runners, then it would technically be a sport. 
on the number of DDR fans decreasing, did you get an actual study? because im willing to bet that the number of people who lose interest in DDR and the number of new people getting interested in DDR either equal themselves out, or the exchange is so slight, its negligable.
and a DDR game would get attention, probably not much, but if someone playing in the arcade can get 12 people to stand around and watch them unwillingly, you get one person whos good with PR, and i bet you could get at least 30 people to come watch. even if it was just family members watching.
and you know, you just throw in that im a geeky kid that wants everyone to love DDR. which is highly false. i don't wnat everyone to love DDR because then there would be some people that i really can't stanbd playing a game that i really enjoy in the same vicinity as me. and then i would have to hear their voices. and i don't thuink i could handle that. |
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| 26. Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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I love being ignored. It's so fun.
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| 27. Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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| scythe33 wrote: | | I love being ignored. It's so fun. |
actually i read your comment about the definition of a sport, which proves the point much more efficiently than what i am doing, but i need something to do with my free time, seeing as im sick and can't play DDR. |
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Dakota
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| 28. Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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| scythe33 wrote: |
hey, instead of one person's opinion, let's try the actual definition.
Hmm, nothing against it there.
Let's try dictionary.com
Nope, nothing against it there.
Your argument is frivolous so far.
However, whether it should be an official sport is up to question. |
Wikipedia is not a reliable source, seeing as it's all written by Joe Schmo from across the street, so I'll ignore that.
Dictionary.com, however, does give the correct definition. But really now, it's all relative. If you delve deeply enough, anything can be considered a sport. If people become anal enough, anything that involves physical activity can become a sport. Me typing on the computer right now requires great dexterity and concentration, and it takes long hours of practice to type as fast as I do. Couldn't speed typing qualify it to be a sport? When I work landscaping, it required great endurance and physical strength, and it worked up a great sweat. Couldn't competitive landscaping be considered a sport?
There's a fine line between the literal definition of sport and not sport. But by OBVIOUS SOCIAL MEANINGS, DDR isn't a sport. It's a videogame. You can debate with me and everyone else all you want, and no one will win. But DDR isn't a sport, and that's where I stand.
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| 29. Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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| OMGWTFDIE wrote: | | scythe33 wrote: |
hey, instead of one person's opinion, let's try the actual definition.
Hmm, nothing against it there.
Let's try dictionary.com
Nope, nothing against it there.
Your argument is frivolous so far.
However, whether it should be an official sport is up to question. |
Wikipedia is not a reliable source, seeing as it's all written by Joe Schmo from across the street, so I'll ignore that.
Dictionary.com, however, does give the correct definition. But really now, it's all relative. If you delve deeply enough, anything can be considered a sport. If people become anal enough, anything that involves physical activity can become a sport. Me typing on the computer right now requires great dexterity and concentration, and it takes long hours of practice to type as fast as I do. Couldn't speed typing qualify it to be a sport? When I work landscaping, it required great endurance and physical strength, and it worked up a great sweat. Couldn't competitive landscaping be considered a sport?
There's a fine line between the literal definition of sport and not sport. But by OBVIOUS SOCIAL MEANINGS, DDR isn't a sport. It's a videogame. You can debate with me and everyone else all you want, and no one will win. But DDR isn't a sport, and that's where I stand. |
I, for one, really want to see speed typing become a sport. I would so enter every competition I could find.
But he raises a good point. I guess what is considered a sport also depends on if it has a large enough fan base.
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| 30. Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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| OMGWTFDIE wrote: | | Wikipedia is not a reliable source, seeing as it's all written by Joe Schmo from across the street, so I'll ignore that. |
The number of intelligent people who contribute to Wikipedia is far greater than the number of idiots who are there to screw things up. Wikipedia is, for the most part, pretty reliable.
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| 31. Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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| AA Bob wrote: | | OMGWTFDIE wrote: | | Wikipedia is not a reliable source, seeing as it's all written by Joe Schmo from across the street, so I'll ignore that. |
The number of intelligent people who contribute to Wikipedia is far greater than the number of idiots who are there to screw things up. Wikipedia is, for the most part, pretty reliable. |
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| 32. Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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| OMGWTFDIE wrote: | | snip because you rant too much. |
Oh, I don't actually debate, I just point out logical fallacies.
The one you're doing right now is called "no true scotsman", but I can make an exception, because it's late and I'm stoned.
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| 33. Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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| AA Bob wrote: | | OMGWTFDIE wrote: | | Wikipedia is not a reliable source, seeing as it's all written by Joe Schmo from across the street, so I'll ignore that. |
The number of intelligent people who contribute to Wikipedia is far greater than the number of idiots who are there to screw things up. Wikipedia is, for the most part, pretty reliable. |
QFT.
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| 34. Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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| AA Bob wrote: | | OMGWTFDIE wrote: | | Wikipedia is not a reliable source, seeing as it's all written by Joe Schmo from across the street, so I'll ignore that. |
The number of intelligent people who contribute to Wikipedia is far greater than the number of idiots who are there to screw things up. Wikipedia is, for the most part, pretty reliable. |
Wikipedia certainly is a reliable source of information. It is actually about as good as Encyclopedia Britannica according to 42 comparison reviews done by experts. |
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| 35. Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 7:29 am Post subject: |
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| [TCO] Patrick wrote: | | Hasnt this been discusses 1000x times? I heard that Sweden or somewhere made it a sport. But I really doubt that the US would ever make arrow stomping a sport. Everyone sees it as a video game, nothing more. |
I see it as much more than a videogame. So do many other people.
And BTw, it's Norway, not Sweden, who made DDR an official sport.
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| 36. Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 9:07 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | But by OBVIOUS SOCIAL MEANINGS |
can you please explain for poor unobservant me, what these obvious social meanings are? |
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| 37. Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 9:13 am Post subject: |
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I just love how you said that DDR requires practice and the other's don't.
Wow.
Go beat Tiger Woods in Golf if it dosen't take practice. |
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| 38. Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 12:07 pm Post subject: |
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| scythe33 wrote: | | OMGWTFDIE wrote: | | snip because you rant too much. |
Oh, I don't actually debate, I just point out logical fallacies.
The one you're doing right now is called "no true scotsman", but I can make an exception, because it's late and I'm stoned. |
That made me lawl
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| 39. Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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DDR is a video game and nothing more. It doesn't give you a full scholarship to play at one the top college teams.
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