ITG players... a little too dependent on speed mods?

[Darkicarus]

I've noticed something just recently and I want to know what you guys think.


Here's how I see it, back in the day of DDR people frowned on using speed mods, infact people would discredit any scorer's score if they knew he used a speed mod.


IMO ITG players almost ALWAYS use speed mods to score, or pass a song, but why is it that okay while in DDR it's not?
Sure I understand that ITG is a harder game then DDR but I mean com'on don't you think that maybe we're just a little too dependent on them?


I just think we are because recently a friend of mine started playing ITG and hardly ever uses any speed mods and he's getting really good at reading on 1x, recently he's been scoring in the high 70's to low 80's on 10 footers on 1x(we're not that good). He played My favorite game and then I tried it on 1x, I found it extremely difficult to do, (infact I failed and after playing at home for a while I can still only score high 60 to low 70's) I think this is because of how I'm used to playing on 1.5x.
I know this doesn't apply to many of you and maybe it is just me, but I highly doubt it, just ask yourself whens the last time you played on 1x? Infact, when the last time you did 10's or above on 1x for that matter, (and passed)?



okay well please don't flame in here esspecially you itg fanboys
kthanks,bia
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[Kaku]

Example of someone who doesn't need speed mods to score.

We're not exactly dependent, but it matters on the playing style of the person. Some people are great without it. =\ It also has to do with difficulty and how close the arrows are, along with mines which make reading 1x difficult. Look at IIDX. It's difficult on 1x because of the sheer number of notes coming down at the same time, so very, very few people play on 1x. DDR doesn't really have a whole bunch of slow difficult songs. If ITG had difficult songs with mostly 8th notes like in DDR (most 10's), maybe people would use them less.

Plus DDR started without speed mods, and ITG started with speed mods. I guess you can argue that "it's how the game was originally meant to be played", thus it's accepted.
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[Boochypa]

[scandalous bob]

Pickels is a giant fag and is probably one of the most ugly people on earth. When everyone hates you and you have nothing else to do, you've got time to 100% 9 footers on 1x. For the rest of the world, there's speed mods.
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[psisarah]

[Synaesthesia]

Hay guyz ITG2's default speed is 1.5x. If you change it to 1x then you are a FILTHY DIRTY CHEATING H4XX0R AND YOU ARE RAPING THE TRUE NATURE OF THE GAME BY NOT USING THE DEFAULT SPEED.
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[Synaesthesia]

So if I were to design my own dancing (lol) game, and there was NO default speed mod at all (as in, you were forced to choose between a null set and a speed), how would you then care about what speed people played on, since there's no way to deviate from the (nonexistent) default? I figured a pretty good standardized playing style was to look at the number of fantastics someone could get.
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[J. S. Mill]

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Yeah, I have to agree with Kiba on that one. While it is true that in the early days of speed mods, some players (especially more experienced ones) would frown upon them, I'd say that by late 2003/early 2004, most people (except in some parts of NY state ) viewed speed-modded scores as being just as acceptable as x1 scores.

So it's not really the arrival of ITG that led people to become more tolerant of speed mods - people had become more tolerant before then.
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[JasonTheGreater]

That's 2x no bar, which is a pretty decent score. Usually, I'd play that on 4x with the bar, but I still do fairly well with lower speed mods. Songs are just a lot more comfortable to play on higher speeds, but it doesn't mean that I'm going to suck if I stop playing at high speeds.
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[Thomas Hobbes]

I'm dependent on speed mods. If a song is too slow I cannot do it. I will either fail the song or do much worse scoring wise if I had used the speed mod of my choice.

Yeah, I also use the bar. I have to use the bar. It could be a 1 on Novice and I would still use the bar. It just feels awkward without the bar now. I'd fall without the bar, which sucks.
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[In The Navy]

jesus, the speed mods (and the bars) are there for a reason, use them or don't use them, shut up, and have a nice day.


1.5x no bar ftw.
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[Darkicarus]

you all have a great point, but what i failed to communicate to you all because I forgot (and my crappy use of syntax often causes me too..) ask if you guys think that if by playing on 1x the majority of the time, you'll do alot better in the long termthen if you play on the default setting (1.5x) the majority of the time?

( by this I mean 1x helps because it helps improves reading and playing with speed mods in general would make it alot easier for someone to score high on say 2x then for someone to score who plays on 1.5x often to score high on 2x.)
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[RoadsarePoison]

DDR was clearly intended to be played on 1x, since difficulty of reading does affect the song rating (which is why Bag is a 10 footer and My Summer love is a 9-Footer). For ITG, the song ratings are based on how difficult the song actually is to step, with or without speed mods. Bloodrush and Euphoria (and maybe HOTN) would easily be 13 footers otherwise. For ITG it seems that the creators realized that with all the 16th note streams they would be putting in, people would definitely play with speed mods, so they rated the songs based how hard they are to step. Also, with the addition of mines, many songs in ITG would just be needlessly difficult to read on 1x since mines would cover up many arrows.
I much prefer the ITG way of scoring. If I'm about to play a new song, I'd rather know how hard I'm gonna have to physically exert myself to do it. If I want a reading challenge I'll stick with a Marathon course.
As to the original question, I should first mention that your friend does use speed mods in ITG, and you do not. Since the default is 1.5x, 1x is a speed mod, just as .5x would be if it were an option. Anyway, I believe that if you get a certain score on a DDR song, you should take into account how hard the song itself is and not think you did so great just because the song has a high foot rating. Getting an AA on HV:AM or even Witch Doctor is way more impressive than getting one on Orion AMEURO mix or Drop Out (from nonstop) because they're just harder songs. (I'm going to exclude Bag from discussions about scoring since the reason it's hard to score is that it's off-sync.) I think the designers should have seen that people would clearly use speed mods and screwed up with the rating system. Hmm...I'm off-topic again
If someone AAs Max 300 on 2x, is that cheating? Most people would say no, because it makes the song much harder. But some people find it easier that way. You can't say that speed mods are cheating just because it changes something as subjective as reading difficulty. If 1.5x is cheating, is 2x cheating even worse? If so, then what about 8x? Different people read at different speeds, and it's not fair to say that someone isn't good just because they read at a different speed than you.
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[psisarah]

Ya know... if DDR/ITG were designed to be played without speed mods, why did they include the option in the first place? Without having to input an unlock/cheat code to access them?
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