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doublesbrian
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280.  Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 2:24 am Post subject: |
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Most people look down on the bar for the simple fact it makes the songs a lot easier once you get accustomed to bar usage.
Non bar users think it just gets annoying because a lot of the people who pass max songs and brag about them wouldn't do nearly as well if they didn't have the bar to assist them.
I personally don't use the bar, makes the game easier, same reason why I play x1. If I wanted a shortcut to be better that the game why not just throw it on little and go "gomgomgomgogmog I totally just got all perfects on PSMO!!!!"
I don't have problems with people using the bar though, only the ones that brag about being so much better than me but wouldn't stand a chance if they didn't have use of the bar.
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| 281. Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 2:28 am Post subject: |
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Sorry to make 2 posts but:
| -Afronova- wrote: | | Have you seen some of the videos of people playing with no bar? it looks way more retarded then ones playing with bar, in my opinion. |
Wrong, when you use the bar you whiteboy a lot more, actually seeing the turns on songs like Afronova, Breakdown, Captain Jack, or Brilliant 2u ~Orchestral Groove~ Oni, etc etc..., and people doing spins on Healing Vision Angelic Mix is a lot better than someone clinging to the bar for dear life nearly missing the arrows because they're scrolling at crazy rates of speed.
People can look stupid with or without using the bar just because they look stupid in general, arm flailing and stuff like that is just dependent on the person.
Also, ever see anyone bar rape doubles? 
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| 282. Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 4:49 am Post subject: |
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The bar was made by Konami so people could use it. It doesn't really matter to me if you use it or not. End of argument.  |
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FTG_William Howard Taft
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| 283. Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 7:45 am Post subject: |
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| DDRME wrote: | | If I wanted a shortcut to be better that the game why not just throw it on little and go "gomgomgomgogmog I totally just got all perfects on PSMO!!!!" |
Little doesn't allow the player to AAA a song. In that sense, it's a disqualifying mod.
I don't want to get into these debates again but DDRME, why be a cockass and go around diminishing other people's accomplishments? That really seems like a jackass thing to do.
If someone passes a Max using the bar, why do you have to cut down what they did and bring up how they would have beat it without the bar? Some people don't like playing without the bar.
But I bet you look way cool spinning in a circle.
So basically what I'm trying to say is that although I envy your mad style (because God knows that doing turns in a song like BreAkdown is IMPOSSIBLE while holding the bar) if you could state your opinion and not cut down the accomplishments of others, that'd be cool.
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doublesbrian
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| 285. Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 11:57 am Post subject: |
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| William Howard Taft wrote: | | DDRME wrote: | | If I wanted a shortcut to be better that the game why not just throw it on little and go "gomgomgomgogmog I totally just got all perfects on PSMO!!!!" |
Little doesn't allow the player to AAA a song. In that sense, it's a disqualifying mod.
I don't want to get into these debates again but DDRME, why be a cockass and go around diminishing other people's accomplishments? That really seems like a jackass thing to do.
If someone passes a Max using the bar, why do you have to cut down what they did and bring up how they would have beat it without the bar? Some people don't like playing without the bar.
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I wasn't really diminishing their accomplishments, I was just stating a fact it's wayyyyyy easier to pass hard songs with the bar, also you're wayyy more likely to whiteboy songs(and dont' try to say it's not because I live near some of the best players in the world, and thats not an exxageration) people are in a rush to get good fast so they dont' care about bar raping, since the vast majority of the people want to be better as fast as they can they resort to barring, and since the vast majority bars, it isn't thought of to be anything wrong....
It's the same idea about speed mods, if Konami really wanted you to speed mod songs, why would they make bag a 10 foot? The only way bag is 10 feet is on x1, so to warrant a x1 rating Konami must believe that the game would be played on x1. Or are you going to argue about that too?
The bar is there if you're about to fall, but people have used it as a crutch to get better.
And you're actually saying that using the bar will look better than turning your body back and forth(not only just for the spins) but songs like Brilliant 2u ~Orchestral Groove~, I doubt you'd even know how to turn if you're trying to learn, but hey, yeah, doublestepping the whole song looks cool too, if thats what you're into....
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FTG_William Howard Taft
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| 286. Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 12:27 pm Post subject: |
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| DDRME wrote: | | It's the same idea about speed mods, if Konami really wanted you to speed mod songs, why would they make bag a 10 foot? The only way bag is 10 feet is on x1, so to warrant a x1 rating Konami must believe that the game would be played on x1. Or are you going to argue about that too? |
I could, since it's still difficult to PA on any speed mod.
| DDRME wrote: | | And you're actually saying that using the bar will look better than turning your body back and forth(not only just for the spins) but songs like Brilliant 2u ~Orchestral Groove~, I doubt you'd even know how to turn if you're trying to learn, but hey, yeah, doublestepping the whole song looks cool too, if thats what you're into.... |
My point (I really should have assumed you wouldn't get the sarcasm) is that turns are NOT impossible with the bar. I can do songs like Afronova, BreAkdown, and Paranoia Survivor Max without doublestepping and with both hands on the bar. It's really not impossible at all.
And being the DDR kid in the arcade stepping in circles really doesn't make you as cool as you seem to think. Unless you're really good at freestyling, DDR/ITG really doesn't look that cool. Doing songs backwards and spinning in circles really isn't as big of a chick magnet as you've implied.
| DDRME wrote: | | I don't have problems with people using the bar though, only the ones that brag about being so much better than me but wouldn't stand a chance if they didn't have use of the bar. |
Right there, you're trying to bring down other's accomplishments. You're saying, "They have better scores, but I have better no bar scores!" when in all reality, that's just the loser's way of winning.
Even if they did use the bar, they still have higher scores than you and last time I checked, using the bar does not change your results screen in any way. The machine doesn't seem to care.
In summation, deal with it. People are going to accomplish things while holding the bar and they'll be proud of those accomplishments. If you want to play a round of 10's and hold the bar and AAA them all to rub it in our faces, that's fine, but I really doubt it will make the game as easy as you seem to think it will.
Have your own opinion but regardless of what you think, those people holding the bar seem to be accomplishing things that you haven't. I really don't think you have any room to take that away from them.
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doublesbrian
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| 287. Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 1:06 pm Post subject: |
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| William Howard Taft wrote: | | DDRME wrote: | | It's the same idea about speed mods, if Konami really wanted you to speed mod songs, why would they make bag a 10 foot? The only way bag is 10 feet is on x1, so to warrant a x1 rating Konami must believe that the game would be played on x1. Or are you going to argue about that too? |
I could, since it's still difficult to PA on any speed mod.
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You could what? I was trying to say that it's harder to PA songs on x1 then with mods, just like saying it's harder to do 10's without bar than with bar. Are you saying you could PA just as good on x1?
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| DDRME wrote: | | And you're actually saying that using the bar will look better than turning your body back and forth(not only just for the spins) but songs like Brilliant 2u ~Orchestral Groove~, I doubt you'd even know how to turn if you're trying to learn, but hey, yeah, doublestepping the whole song looks cool too, if thats what you're into.... |
My point (I really should have assumed you wouldn't get the sarcasm) is that turns are NOT impossible with the bar. I can do songs like Afronova, BreAkdown, and Paranoia Survivor Max without doublestepping and with both hands on the bar. It's really not impossible at all.
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I know it's not impossible, but how often do you really do the turns when you're going for PA, and theres a difference in you being able to do it than the vast majority being able to do it... Yes, there is a few people who can turn using the bar, just like there are people who whiteboy without the bar, but the majority of bar users whiteboy songs.
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And being the DDR kid in the arcade stepping in circles really doesn't make you as cool as you seem to think. Unless you're really good at freestyling, DDR/ITG really doesn't look that cool. Doing songs backwards and spinning in circles really isn't as big of a chick magnet as you've implied.
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I didnt imply it, I implied that it looks better doing that then whiteboying the song after you implied it looked stupid not using the bar.
| Quote: | | DDRME wrote: | | I don't have problems with people using the bar though, only the ones that brag about being so much better than me but wouldn't stand a chance if they didn't have use of the bar. |
Right there, you're trying to bring down other's accomplishments. You're saying, "They have better scores, but I have better no bar scores!" when in all reality, that's just the loser's way of winning.
Even if they did use the bar, they still have higher scores than you and last time I checked, using the bar does not change your results screen in any way. The machine doesn't seem to care.
In summation, deal with it. People are going to accomplish things while holding the bar and they'll be proud of those accomplishments. If you want to play a round of 10's and hold the bar and AAA them all to rub it in our faces, that's fine, but I really doubt it will make the game as easy as you seem to think it will. |
It does make a difference, can you honestly say that you can't think of a few people who would fail 10 foots they can pass now if they did not have use of the bar? If you honestly don't think it makes a big difference then you're mistaken.
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Have your own opinion but regardless of what you think, those people holding the bar seem to be accomplishing things that you haven't. I really don't think you have any room to take that away from them. |
And how do you know that they have higher scores and can do what I can't do?
There's always people better than other people, I know there are mod/bar players and x1/no bar players better than me, just the same as they're better than you, but i'm talking about the average majority of players...
I've passed plenty of oni courses like the paranoia brothers new and old, trick oni, demon roads, road of slow, IIDX boss, etc etc. That I'm pretty sure that a lot of people who are used to mods/bar wouldn't be able to pass.. and hey, lets get personal for a second, have you passed PSMO yet? wait, I've passed it with an A, sorry buddy, looks like it looks bad on you, a bar user that can't beat a person who doesn't bar on that hard of song. ;D
But hey, if you even want I'll drive out and play you, you can use your mods and bar, nd i'll play x1 no bar, and we'll see who does better, I have family that lives in IL anyway, so I can swing by when I visit them 
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| 288. Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 1:39 pm Post subject: |
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| DDRME wrote: | | You could what? I was trying to say that it's harder to PA songs on x1 then with mods, just like saying it's harder to do 10's without bar than with bar. Are you saying you could PA just as good on x1? |
And the end of the post I had quoted, you had asked me a question which I answered.
| DDRME wrote: | | I know it's not impossible, but how often do you really do the turns when you're going for PA, and theres a difference in you being able to do it than the vast majority being able to do it... Yes, there is a few people who can turn using the bar, just like there are people who whiteboy without the bar, but the majority of bar users whiteboy songs. |
Stop saying "whiteboy."
| DDRME wrote: | I've passed plenty of oni courses like the paranoia brothers new and old, trick oni, demon roads, road of slow, IIDX boss, etc etc. That I'm pretty sure that a lot of people who are used to mods/bar wouldn't be able to pass.. and hey, lets get personal for a second, have you passed PSMO yet? wait, I've passed it with an A, sorry buddy, looks like it looks bad on you, a bar user that can't beat a person who doesn't bar on that hard of song. ;D
But hey, if you even want I'll drive out and play you, you can use your mods and bar, nd i'll play x1 no bar, and we'll see who does better, I have family that lives in IL anyway, so I can swing by when I visit them |
I've actually attempted PSMO probably about three times. I haven't attempted it in months. Over break, I'll try it and most likely A it. The last time I tried, I made it pass the death runs with reasonable PA, I just wasn't prepared for the slowdown.
You said you talked about people bragging about being better than you but using the bar...I could only assume that meant that they got better scores.
If you come to Illinois to challenge a random poster on ddrfreak, you're an idiot. If you drive out here to challenge me, find a day when I'm at an arcade and I guess I'll play you. Don't expect me to set aside time. I'd rather do other things like have a job, have friends, or get laid or something instead of challenging the purists of DDR who stick to their strong moral convictions about touching a mounted piece of metal.
I think I'm gonna officially stop watching this topic because it sickens me every time it's brought up. I'll leave you all with one final note...
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doublesbrian
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| 290. Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 1:55 pm Post subject: |
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But that's what it's called, whiteboying, I've heard from a lot of people and I've grown accustomed to the word, so I shall continue calling it whiteboying 
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You said you talked about people bragging about being better than you but using the bar...I could only assume that meant that they got better scores.
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Yeah, for the most part, but that was mostly in the past, since then i've gotten scores that i'm proud of and can rival mod/bar users. I just hate it when people rely on mods/bar ONLY to get good score, and brag about it, if 2 people AAA max300 I think the one who did it without the bar is better.
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If you come to Illinois to challenge a random poster on ddrfreak, you're an idiot. If you drive out here to challenge me, find a day when I'm at an arcade and I guess I'll play you. Don't expect me to set aside time. I'd rather do other things like have a job, have friends, or get laid or something instead of challenging the purists of DDR who stick to their strong moral convictions about touching a mounted piece of metal.
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Nah, people do silly things to defend pride and honor, so I don't see why it would be idiotic, plus the only reason i enjoy playing is the atmosphere of DDR environments. I do have a job, I'm going to college, I do have a lot of friends, and I do have a girlfriend ;], yet owning someone like you in ddr would just be the icing on the cake so to speak.  |
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| 292. Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 11:00 am Post subject: ddr bar |
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wats wrong w/ using the bar...i use the bar but im still learning the game and can only get to standsrd 7-8 footers on the pad were i actually pass...on 9-10 i get passed like 45 sconds before failing...lol...i like to use the bar on healing standard cuz its a fast song...but is using the bar like a cheat??  |
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| 293. Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2005 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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I think the only time i'd ever use the bar (haven't yet) is if i'm in a tourney and they choose somethin like max 300 (that i can get to the freeze) and if i'm just too tired then i might briefly use the bar. I dont know why I avoid it so much. I guess I feel like me bar raping would take the the dance out of dance dance revolution. But hey, if you bar, and get a friggen awesome score, that's awesome, keep it up. I just consider it a personal challenge to not use it.
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| 294. Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2005 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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| DanceOnYourFaceHxC wrote: | | I guess I feel like me bar raping would take the the dance out of dance dance revolution. |
There never was and there never will be any "dance" in DDR if you're a technical player. |
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| 295. Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2005 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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Definition provided by The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition.
dance
Verb
Inflected forms: danced, danc·ing, danc·es
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intr. 1. To move rhythmically, usually to music
rhythmically:
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Of, relating to, or having rhythm;
It can be called dancing
Keep in mind I wasnt putting down those that use the bar, im just saying its a personal challenege to me to not use it.
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| 296. Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2005 2:01 pm Post subject: |
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| DanceOnYourFaceHxC wrote: | | It can be called dancing |
Denotively, yes, it is dancing. However, the dictionary definition does not tell cultural relation of dance and the overall connotated meaning of dance. You get on a dance floor and shuffle your feet around to the beat, people are going to look at you funny. I didn't assume you were hating on bar users. That is quite obvious by the second to last sentence of your previous post. My whole point was that you shouldn't avoid using the bar because it takes out the "dance". There was absolutely no dance in your foot movements to begin with. |
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| 298. Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2005 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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I use the bar for PA and speed reading purposes. Doesn't make the songs easier, really.
I know I can pass songs no bar, with or without speed mods, and with or without solo. I can PA better with the bar, though.
Although I feel stupid barring 1x 
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| Synaesthesia wrote: | | Cluny the Scourge wrote: | | The bar was made by Konami so people could use it. It doesn't really matter to me if you use it or not. End of argument. |
Actually it was made so you don't accidentally fall off the pad from behind and injure yourself.
And yeah, I've seen plenty of PIU Nightmare vids of people using both bars at once. I don't care about trick bar use at all, really. I can't use it well, so if you can, more power to you. |
Um.. acually now, it was made with both ideas in mind, lol. Why else would they use a leather pad on the bar, rather than a big soft pad, yahknow? I got a friend up in konami... DDR isnt what he works on, but he still knowws $hit.
Back to the is it good or bad...
THE BAR IS A HANDICAP, if a person is using it, they may be tired, it may be a difficult song, they could be out of shape, or... just bar rapers that think its more fun with it. But it really doesnt matter, and doesnt need to be discussed.
I THINK THAT THIS THREAD IS GOING TO BE LOCKED SOON...
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The reason I don't use it, as I said before, is just the personal challenge, and your right, it won't diminish the game at all if I do use it.