Songs that should have higher or lower difficulty

[FujiFlame]

[J. S. Mill]

Posting my updated thoughts as I follow the thread discussion:

Songs that should stay their current ratings IMHO:

-Euphoria [12]
-Go 60 Go [12]
-Hardcore Symphony [11]
-Mythology [11]
-Xuxa [11]
-Charlene [11]
-Disconnected Hyper [10]
-Sweet World [10]
-Queen of Light [10]
-Hand of Time [10]
-One False Move [10]
-Lemmings on the Run [9]
-That Sound [9]

Songs that should be changed IMHO:

-Bloodrush [12 -> 13]
-D-Code [10 -> 9]
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[FujiFlame]

I find Bloodrush to be a shitload easier than Pandy or Summer. I've yet to pass either of them, and can pass every 12 in the game with a 90 or higher (excluding Euphoria). I'll definately give is credit for being the hardest and most exhausting 12, but I still have a rather high score on it for it to be a 13 to me.

[TAMAsurvivor]

has anyone thought some of the difficulties on doubles for ITG2 are insane. I could think of a few 9 blocks that should definitely fit within a rating of at least a 10. Habanera 1 and Wake up are loaded with stretch runs and stretch jumps. Having to hit UDU on the 1p side and immediately hitting DUD on 2p side during an 8th run is insane. and alos hitting far 2p left 1p left then 2p right and 1p right in an 8th run is not fun. not to mention crazy handplants with a 1/32 rythm near the end. there is defintely no mercy on doubles for itg2. go 60 go should stay a 9 on hard despite the hitting of both up arrows and both down. but Monolith hard doubles is not a 9 block with all the crossovers.
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[Syncopation]

Da Roots (Folk Mix) seems like it should be reduced from a Expert 9 to an Expert 8, based on the observation that most of the ITG2 8's are significantly harder in rhythm than the ITG1 8's.

Also, something like Fledh Uncut (Hard) has signficantly longer sixteenth run sections than Da Roots, and if I recall correctly, Fledh Uncut (Hard) is an 8, rather than a 9.

[I play css naked]

[PARANOiA -Respect-]

i can't do Pand. on stepmania at all. Summer i can go half way. Bloodrush i can get 3/4 of the slow down...on stepmania.

[myu]

Damn, these arguments will never end.

Spin Chicken (Expert), 10? WTF? I passed this song sightread and I swear it seems more like a hard 9.

Amore (expert) should be a hard 8 imo. Steps remind me of Baby Love Me for some odd reason.

On a day like today (expert) seems like an easy 9, or a hard 8. It's rather Rain Of Sorrow'y

Lemmings on the run (expert) should be a 10 for the mines IMO. I still can't pass this song.

Charlene is fine as it is. Easy 11 that I can't pass.

Sweet world, meh. It should stay a hard 10. The gallops aren't that hard to me, it's the dumbarse runs that get me. I'd pass this before Charlene.

Regarding songs on Hard mode, I agree with what that one guy said about inconsistency. Also, some Doubles 9's are pretty damn hard and could pass as 10's.
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[Marq(uistadorous)]

I TOTALLY agree, especially on queen of light

[figgy20000]

[madman678]

IMO, bloodrush is the hardest song in the game.

The advanced turning sections, the scrunched together 32nd run, the jump tap tap tap jump tap tap tap that just saps your stamina..

I haven't passed it yet (well, I got 84.20 on it on C450 but that doesn't count)

I think I could do it on 4x but I've tried it a few times and I fail at the 32nd run every time.

ps I have 93.41 on summer and 80.11 on pandemonium

[cfusionpm]

[TAMAsurvivor]

I agree. i think that hard mode charts can be repetitive or like a watered down expert chart. but they are still fun. the only mode people really care about is expert which i think is kind of sad. but hard mode is still great if your like me and too lazy to play 3 10 blocks in a row. and if you think of some expert charts like charlene. the steps may be loaded with 16th runs but they are still generic 16th runs.
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[FujiFlame]

One thing I've thought about is...if you were to say that...Hardcore Symphony is the one 11 that should move up to a 12 -- you undoubtedly agree then that it is currently, without the footer level change, the hardest 11.

If you label a song as the "hardest" or "easiest" song of it's level, then who's to say that that's just not the furthest that level goes one way or another. Once again, if you were to believe that HS far harder than the other 11's...I don't think you'd go as far as saying it matches up to VerTex. So here we have the Hardest 11, and the Easiest 12 (at least IMO; we can say Delirium if you'd like). RoXoR had to make the choice between two things: raising the bar of 11's to a level of a song like HS...or lowering the 12 footer range to a song as "easy" as HS.

I saw a comment on Spin Chicken. Okay so you decide it should be a "hard 9" as opposed to a 10. I think at that point I would consider it the hardest 9 then. Those 16 runs and step-jumps are a lot for a 9, and those really off parts. So maybe it's just the low point for 10's? No one has ever said "A song becomes a 10 only when it [blah blah blah]" So we can't compare to see if Spin Chicken has "met the requirements" to be a 10, therefore we can really just assume that that's just on the 10 side of the line between 9's and 10's. Also, ITG's 10s do tend to be easier than most DDR ones.

['Ivan]

Paragraphs might help.

OMG YES.

Hardcore Symphony = OMG WTF BBQ TWELVE.
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[myu]

I dunno the technicals, [ES] FujiFlame. I was just surprised because I've never sightread a 10 footer before. Not even Sakura or Bag.
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