Bar Mandatory?

J. S. Mill · Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 6:17 pm Post subject:

Notice if you will the utter lack of reply to any of those not-so-subtle insults, speculate on that motivation on your own time ladies and gentlemen (here's a hint: it's not a solipsistic bent on individuality).

But you are right-on, the rules for a board don't matter. And therefore it also doesn't matter if I decide I'd rather not have the benefit of your company. Good-bye.
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spidy · Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 7:27 pm Post subject:

Listen i said that i didnt want to offend anybody so jerks like you wouldnt come and say i was contradicting myself. Listen i dont like taking the easy way out and if you say you got good enough to do 12s and 13s in weeks with the bar then that proves my frick point! You couldnt do it before without the bar and now that you have it you can...that shows devotion skill practice time love for the game (that entire list sopping with sarcasm). I can do 90 percent on Vertex as well without the bar and yeah sometimes it hurts but it shows alot more skill (in my opinion) and it gives the game more challenge. Have you seen pickles do pandemonium yet? Without the bar! Yeah...thats all i really have to say. Its amazing! Now if he would have done it with the bar honestly i admit i would be impressed but not frick wowed off of my feet and absolutely stunned that someone can do that without taking there wait off of the pad. I found it way more impressive without the bar. Thats all of was saying is that i apreciate it alot more when you dont use the bar i didnt want an bumhole like you to come in and tell me my opinion is wrong. Go ahead and use the bar i dont care alot of people do i was stating my opinion on apreciaition for people who dont use it and how i dont apreciate it as much when you do you the bar. I could care less if people are better than me with the bar or without the bar...i know people are better than me and i have no idea why you pointed that out because i didnt say i was better than everyone. Just accept an opinion, you can criticize it but dont come and attack me because i have an opinion. Nice talking to ya,

Loogaroo · Trick Member Joined: 06 Feb 2002 Location: Glendale, CA

Spidy, are you going to look at me with a straight face and tell me that all the top scores for songs like Pandemonium, Euphoria and HotN (not to mention The Beginning, Mythology and July) are illegitimate because the people who got those scores are using the bar and hence, by your own words, are "taking the easy way out"?

Come back when you can pass - nay, triple-star - all of the above songs without the bar, and then we'll see if you have any authority to say that the bar is some sort of cheating tool.

DJTyrant · Maniac Member Joined: 25 Jan 2002 Location: Ventura, CA

I can't believe you feel so adamently about people using the bar but then you're all like "oh well I don't care."

If you don't care get the hell out of this thread!
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J. S. Mill · Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 9:42 pm Post subject:

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Thomas Hobbes · Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 12:15 am Post subject:

agent709 (orange) · Trick Member Joined: 13 Jun 2005

No, the bar is not necessary.

No, it is not cheating to use it. Why do you think it was put there in the first place?

Yes, someone who can pass the same songs without the bar as another person who can apss them with the bar most likely has more skill than that other person.

You could use the bar to learn a song, then once you have it down, master it without the bar.

As for GhettoOverlord and ChrisFoy.Kiba, come on. Like either of you really care. There are personal morals and the likes, but nobody really honestly cares if someone uses the bar or not. If they do, they are most likely controlling and hard to get along with.

How do a simple question get turned into this?
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tac-tics · Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 10:29 am Post subject:

Let's play a game, shall we. The name of the game is "Jihad."

The teams are "bar players" versus "no bar players."

The rules are simple.

Rule 1 - The first side to stop trying to force their extremist opinions on the other is declared the loser.

Rule 2 - There are no winners.

Really guys, can we get a lock on this?

Facts about barrape:

* Using the bar increases a players potential score.

* On Expert difficulty, it demonstrates more skill to get a similar score without the bar.

* Unlike actual rape, barrape is not illegal in the United States.

What else is there to discuss? Whether or not it looks "cool?" Whether or not it's "cheating?" That's your opinion. You opinion may not be the same as mine or Foys or DDRFreak Basic Member. Please express your opinion, but do not expect to force it upon others. Or if you feel you REALLY need to, Private Message them instead of flooding a perfectly good thread with your flaming.
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Thomas Hobbes · Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 12:58 pm Post subject:

toady007 · Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 1:34 pm Post subject:

Toastercookie knows what the hell he's talking about. I would really like to see the people who excel no bar to put up better scores on the speeds we are comfortable with, IE 4x and 5x.

hsailormoon · Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 3:19 pm Post subject:

wow... when debates get heated...

I say if the bar helps, fine... if you don't use it... kudos to you. If you do fine.

In the end, it's just a game and if it upsets you that much... then just... I dunno... get so pissed about it.

Do your best on the game, bar or not... that's what it all boils down to right?

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spidy · Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 5:28 pm Post subject:

Listen i dont discredit people who use the bar. Im not saying they should stop playing. I may have been a little harsh earlier. All im saying is that the bar does not NEED to be used and i apreciate the game a little more and the people who play it when they dont use the bar. Whenever i watch someone play ddr and they use the bar i just lose a little respect point....thats all. I think that its reasonable because it is taking the easy way out (think about it it IS taking the easy way out)...and if you have played as hard and praticed as hard as you can without the bar and still cant beat the hard songs and cant get any better...then either use the bar (which im ok with i just dont apreciate it nor do i plan on ever using it) or keep doing your damn best to get better without it. IT IS NOT NECCESARY to use. You can get good enough with out it. And like the other guy said if you dont have the time and dedication then use the bar. Im not saying that you CANNOT USE IT but im saying that i dont apreciate it as much. Nice talking to ya,

J. S. Mill · Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 6:47 pm Post subject:

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J. S. Mill · Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 8:03 pm Post subject:

Let's be fair, you could probably someday break 95% on Pandemonium no bar. And by that time you would be unable to pass the 17 footers on ITG5.
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Syncopation · Trick Member Joined: 03 Feb 2003

Let me ask what I feel are the two most relevant questions regarding bar use in ITG:

1. Can the Roxor Games QA testers pass every song in the game without using the bar?

2. Can the Roxor Games stepmakers themselves double-star or triple-star every song in the game without using the bar?

If the answer to either question is NO, then the relevant songs that cannot be passed by the QA testers or the stepmakers would be the ones that de-facto require the bar.