Let's not throw things down RoXor and Redoctane's throats!

Reenee · Trick Member Joined: 21 Nov 2003

The thing is that it's Roxor's a virgin. This is their first time on the PS2. Surely everybody doesn't expect a perfect first round. Konami is in the business for years and, hey, lookit that, no Dance Play, but it's in the game anyways.

And the other thing is that just saying it sucks is rude. Why? 'Cause we can help change it. Roxor is giving us a rare opportunity to actually let the public suggest stuff to help improve their game. There's some obvious errors here, but fixing it can happen in different ways. Everybody bitching at it keeps forgetting these two main points. Do it yourself if you think it's so bad.

We know they're there, but it's not detracting from the gameplay much to make it unplayable or unenjoyable depending on how you see it. If they make ITG2 PS2, they might look into how they got the quick-loading in Marathon courses down to spread it to the rest of the game. Or do something different. But god damn, help them out. They're giving you the chance.

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Reenee · Trick Member Joined: 21 Nov 2003

'Ivan: Anything is possible. They could try what Naughty Dog does and stream data mid-play too.

Alezay · Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 6:06 pm Post subject:

Shinmizu · Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 8:03 pm Post subject:

This being their first PS2 game is not by any means whatsoever a valid excuse for some of the problems that have cropped up (particularly the TOPGRADE issue, but the loading times and event mode kickouts rate a pretty close second).

It is the prerogative, nay, the duty of a professional company to extensively test their software before releasing it to a paying public. That something so egregious as the TOPGRADE bug made it through is very strong evidence that there was no such testing, or that the testing was a far cry from being extensive.

Every company had to make their first PS2, and quite a few of them were free from bugs of that caliber. Yes, they all had bugs, I'm sure, but not many that wiped your saves. It is possible to have a first release without TOPGRADE-style issues.

Now, am I enjoying ITG? Yes, very much so. Despite my complaints, I still enjoy it far, far, far more than DDR Extreme US (which I quit playing within a few weeks). I don't forsee myself quitting ITG anytime soon, but I'm not going to excuse certain issues simply because it's their first time.
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Tsuri · Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 8:41 pm Post subject:

Well you could just get FFXI for the HD and put it on the HD through HD loader... lol

mr_zelda · Trick Member Joined: 10 Nov 2004

Of course it also be possible that they have a financial strain trying to support their development team. The way I see it is that RoXor has gone the way to address multiple issues people have had with previous US console dance games. Specifically the music selection. Konami's strategy with DDR seems to be to take a quarter full glass of milk and fill the rest of the glass with water, and sell it for $40. Kind of like they are trying to keep all their good songs for later games so they can keep selling them. RoXor faces an uphill battle entering into the dance game genre, which was formally a monopoly held by Konami. They have tried to be competitive by addressing the entire crappy music issue. For the most part I think they succeeded and released possibly one of the best mixes for US console dance games. So I don't think there should be any reason to complain.

I guess if anything, you all can look on the bright side. This could even mean that Konami may be forced to make better dance games themselves assuming that RoXor does well enough.

toady007 · Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 10:25 pm Post subject:

Reiska · Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 11:12 pm Post subject:

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toady007 · Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 6:33 am Post subject:

You have to think positive

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Wintermute · Trick Member Joined: 30 Jul 2003 Location: Maryland

(NOT Sarcastic in ANY way!!!!!!):

Hehehehee!! That's great. Positive Thinking!

I've NEVER touched ITG before. OR PIU. I listen to these forums, and read all the sensational 'kickass' functions and songlists, and all the good new things coming down the pike...and I wait for their release. Then I buy them.

And I absolutely ADORE ITG. I knew from all the reviews and words that it would be good...but now that I've had a few days to tinker with it...I'm sitting here thinking to myself...THIS is what DDR Extreme US should've been. Not Eyetoy compatibility with half-assed animal-feeding games.

It's got awards for and recognizes SDG and Full Great/Excellent Combo's. It's got 50-some mods to it. It's got NO J-pop that would burn your eyes out. In fact, I haven't found one song that I can scroll by easily without going, "Ohhhh, I really *like* that one!!"....makes it hard to scroll down to Vertex or Zodiac (alphabetical listing).

A game that keeps your combo through songs? Fantastic stat recognition? Higher grading levels for detail-oriented obsessive players? LONGER songs to build stamina? Fresh blood instead of dead-beat songs from 3rd or 4th mix coming back like DDRombies?

I love the old-school DDR's...don't get me wrong....but THIS is what it should've been.

The Topgrade bug? Big whoop. What about Memories on US Extreme? Or a scoring system on the US Maxes that would prevent a AA from beating an A rating on the high score table, and keep the lesser score half the time? (Oh yeah, CRAP.) I personally could care less about Topgrade as being my permanent listing.

That long loading thing? Plus for dancers, minus for controller-players.

Fantastic first effort, Roxor....right up there with Konami Hawaii.

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Sinistar · Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 8:30 am Post subject:

Wintermute · Trick Member Joined: 30 Jul 2003 Location: Maryland

(wasn't being sarcastic...sorry!! Hard to denote emotions via text.)

Yeah...I get your point, Sini...but I think it's pretty nifty to see 2 and 4 K combo's in everyday play, as opposed to just rolling into Endless Mode.

mr_zelda · Trick Member Joined: 10 Nov 2004

0rion · Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 6:52 pm Post subject:

snickers1127â¶â · Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 10:35 pm Post subject:

Mr_Blasty · Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 1:08 pm Post subject:

hey redoctane, why don't you omprove your paper thin padding underneath your pads with thick rubber, or why don't you use better glue in your raised arrows, or why wasn't my dual platform pad fully functional on the xbox?
I don't like redoctane, enough said
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