Trouble in Groove-land

Edible Bondage Tape · Trick Member Joined: 26 Jan 2002 Location: Kerri

so project mercy who ARE you on the ITG staff anyway

inquireing minds want to know
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Wolfman Jake · Trick Member Joined: 13 Sep 2002

Good question. project_mercy's account was only created after this headline was posted, and so far, s/he has only posted in this thread. That's a rather narrow focus. It makes one wonder.
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uelrindru · Trick Member Joined: 08 Dec 2004 Location: NY

ok project mercy so what you're saying is that they can steal the design market it as a new product, and there's no liablility whether or not they used pre-existing units it's what they did. Ok they changed some internals but the cabinet looks the same.
By just using another companies product for something it was NOT INTENDED FOR they were stealing. They ripped off the product bypassing R&D costs, Production costs, and labor co
Also, part of the problem is the end user, in many cases, do not have full control over the machines. The whole right of use is given to them under an end user liscense agreement. You don't own what you buy anymore, you only get the right to use it.
Next time your get a stereo or some electronic look at them. You rarely have the right to do what you want with anything that has electricity coarsing through it and by buying it and not returning it when you see that you agree to it.
Most importantly the product confusion that was brought up early is the major thing Konami is probably worried about. Regardless of if they make the machines anymore they make products based off it. Infringing on them creates product confusion for the FRANCHISE and that is an unfair business practice. It's like another company using yellow arches instead of golden. They'd look the same, you'd trick people and you knew it. Yes I know I'm referring to trademark law but the principle is the same and a patent does have to be different enough to not be mistaken for another patent or use a different process(a grey area yes), which is what most patents are processes.
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jaded2003 · Trick Member Joined: 31 Aug 2003 Location: Michigan

Well, as much as i dont want to reply to the bit, i kind of found this intresting since you are all talking about the same thing... And yes I know this may be contradicting the opinions and information I posted eailer, if you want to look back, its on the end of i think page 36.

Now correct me if I am wrong, but I do own both a Gauntlet II arcade game, and a conversion kit, which kind of makes the conversation intresting... Lets say, someone made another game that i put in place of my conversion kit. I do *NOT* install the conversion kit, and therefore not a slapstick chip, which is the security chip, for one I would be confusing people by putting different software in a fairly known cabinet, and two.. If the third party upgrade kit required me to completely take out the board, or part of the board and put their own software, and then using their version of the slapstick chip, which is basicallly a lockout chip that prevents me from installing the Gauntlet II roms, in *ANOTHER* gauntlet II machine.. I think if i were to do that, and the option was available for me to do in the first place, Atari Games Inc. would have all right to come after me, for using a competitors software in one of *THEIR* cabinets. Its the same concept in this case, let me take a snipit out of the gauntlet I to II conversion kit manual, tell me where i go wrong if anything, and yes i put comments in there purposefully (on this forum, not the actual conversion kit manual)

Conversion Instructions:

1. Replace the Joystick Leaf Switches, Decals, and Overlays (Now, that's Atari's conversion kit, what if it were the instructions for ITG (Replace the existing gauntlet I arcade cabinet with a DDR Machine), ok moving on.

2. Install the IC's of *YOUR* conversion kit into *YOUR* game. (Say those exact instructions were given to myself of *ANOTHER* game, lets say for argumental purposes... "Pac-Man"

3. Install the product identification information (again, imagine this was another game manufacturer)

4. Inspect The Game

5. Reset game options

Now those instructions were from an existing Gauntlet II conversion kit manual that i have right besides me. now it specifically says in the manual, it would be violating their rights if i were to reproduce the scemetics, instructions, the manual... Without prior written permission from the publisher. Now lets say for the sake of argument Namco were to reproduce those instructions and call them their own, and make it required to play their game. You guys are saying it wouldnt make a difference if Atari Games made the original cabinet, game, and manual. The screen is definately produced by another manufacturer. It looks like from my perspective that this is the same cabinet, and same instructions, i just thought it might make a difference.

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E-300 · Trick Member Joined: 17 Feb 2004 Location: Nashville Tn.

Since nither sides put out a lot of songs from the radio (,hip -hop and right now songs especially) I think they both suck.

Well theres always Stepmania i guess.

If Roxor switch cabinets ,what difference will it make?

People will play it........... or they wont

jaded2003 · Trick Member Joined: 31 Aug 2003 Location: Michigan

*backs away from the conversation for a time*

It seems as if everyone is talking about the same thing, and in my opinion giving the same answers, in different words. Okay, i am done talking for now.

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uelrindru · Trick Member Joined: 08 Dec 2004 Location: NY

warrenties can be and in many places are mandated for certain products, it varies state by state which is why you get warrenties. People used to sell junk as working products and there was nothing a consumer could do... till the government stepped in to stop it.
End User Liscence Aggrements(EULA's) are for the life of the product and are transferable. That means as long as you use the product, you are bound by the terms of the EULA and if you sell it that burden transfers to the new owner if they have a copy of it or not.
Some things, mostly software, you can't legally sell they don't have transferable terms or they attach to something. Windows does this, it attaches to the computer motherboard you put them on in most prebuilt models. I've been looking for manuals online for the machines but haven't found one yet.
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Wolfman Jake · Trick Member Joined: 13 Sep 2002

FUNKMASTER FLIP · Posted: Sun May 22, 2005 12:16 am Post subject:

I haven't play ITG yet but I can see whats going on with this situation. I can understand Roxor wants to make ITG for a gamers like us to go further, better and it makes a good thing. But hey, business is business. I know one thing though they've got chewed by using konami's cabinet.

Tobias Preener · Posted: Sun May 22, 2005 9:43 am Post subject:

once again i please ask: if konami wins, do arcades have to get rid of ITG?
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