Trouble in Groove-land

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lawyers anrt free people


if konami went after everyone violating thier lawsuit they woudl of gone broke a decade ago they targeted roxor because
1.roxor was in a country where patent and copyright violations can actualy be easily prosicuted
2. they were making enough money to pay for SOME of the legal fees after all is said and done
3.they FUCKING STOLE from konami
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[Wakka Lakka]

Actually I think the reason Roxor is a target is more business-oriented than a case of stolen ideas.

1. Roxor has a hot new cabinet and ITG2 arcade game coming out - compare this to Konami's current feeble position in US arcades.

2. Roxor's strong partnership with Redoctane means they can supply high quality, popular home hardware dirctly made for their games, like afterburner - compare this with Konami's current home hardware offerings.

3. Users who will be responsible for publicity through tournaments and playing in arcades are willing to embrace ITG because the perception is that Konami has let them down in terms of arcade fare since 2001.

[Wolfman Jake]

Wow, is it really hard for most of the people here to conceptualize that Konami may and most like does in fact have SEVERAL motivations in persuing this lawsuit? Also, if you think this lawsuit thing sprang up overnight, by the way, you're sorely mistaken. Most people in the know on this indicate that Konami has been carefully planning the suit for months now, since way before Redoctane announced ITG PS2 and before Roxor unveiled ITG2 Beta. You can cry conspiracy theory all you like, but nothing Konami has done so far is inconsistent with standard business practice.

As far as Monopolies go, I think many of you need a history lesson. The anti-monopoly and anti-trust laws were established here to break up companies that could basically ransom essential resources that the US industry desperately needed, things like oil and steel, for example. No one holds a patent for oil (tm) or steal (tm), etc, but over a century ago, there were a handful of companies basically controlling all of the resources, naming their own absurd prices to line their pockets with gold at the expence of the rest of the economy, and the US government put a stop to it. Dancing games aren't a precious resource, and I'm sure the government does NOT care a lick to go after Konami for having "the only dancing game in town." Plus, it is NOT as if Konami doesn't let anyone else develop their own dance game brands. Games like PUMP and Brittney's Dance Beat and Mad Katz Terrible Knockoff DO exist in this country. Yes, that's right. There ARE other dance games in town. That doesn't sound much like a monopoly to me. All these other developers have to do is pay Konami for the royalties because Konami was first to develop the genre and applied for a patent. Guess who decided to sidestep the royalties stipulation? Roxor. Guess what Roxor tried to do to get itself head with minimal investment? Rip off Konami's patented hardware and technology. What other more recent history lesson does this remind us of? Nintendo vs. Tengen. Who lost that lawsuit? Tengen. Just food for thought, people...that food being lemons (Still no one has admitted to understanding that reference.)
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[J. S. Mill]

I like how people assume (correctly) that Konami was planning the suit for a long time and therefore assume ROXOR had NO idea it was coming and was caught TOTALLY unaware and had NO defense planned. I mean that makes lots of sense.
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[Anthony of TGA]

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sp porject ary why did you peopel LIE about having lawers and cleared all this stuf with konami then
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[cfusionpm]

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[Funkstar Polaris]

This is going to be super long, so bear with me.

First, the Tengen thing. It looks like that site I had cited was wrong (I was looking for Nintendo vs Tengen instead of Atari). Atari did indeed lose the lawsuit, but....

[Mr. A]

[Wolfman Jake]

[Loogaroo]

It is legal to have a monopoly on intellectual property. In fact, that's precisely what a copyright is.
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[Funkstar Polaris]

[Apex]

I like Roxor games, but more importantly I like the team. I don't really care what happens to the company. If Konami manages to sue Roxor out of the game, I could live without Roxor. What I would NOT appreciate, is if In The Groove dies with Roxor.

We all know that huge companies such as Konami have the ability to sue any smaller company out of buisness just by burying them in court cases. They don't even necessarily have to have a good case (I'm not saying that they don't). Roxor probably should pay Konami some royalties. All that aside; the problem I'd have is the inhibitation of creativity due to the presence of corporate entities like Konami.

Konami has been out of the DDR scene for us for years. ITG picks up where DDR left off, and it's a vast improvement. I wouldn't care Konami even republished ITG as they're own, as long as we get a better dance game!


my point: Konami - Roxor: who cares. All I want is ITG.
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[Wolfman Jake]

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[Apex]

[jaded2003]

Heres what i think on the subject, if anyone cares anymore. I think it is just too soon to make any "smart decision" about the whole thing. I mean seriously, i have read the information and I believe it all to be too young to see what comes fourth with it, we can all perdict whats going to happen, but i dont think anyone is in the right to make a decision that will ultimately be the right case, or what we hope will impact the situation. I know this whole thing has got the entire fanbase in an uproar over the entire thing, and some of you might have heard what I have to say over the entire thing. But i am in the neutral position over the entire thing. Still staying neutral mind you... as a reply to those who say Konami is full of it, and doesnt care about its fanbase.. I admit, we havent seen much action from them... Reminds me of the Linux vs. Windows debate, or the Apple Vs. PC debate, on the PC side of things (as far as the Linux v. Windows) MS hasnt released anything beyond WinXP in a couple years.. Longhorn is basically a rehash of Windows XP from what Ive seen, and Server 2003 is basically another version of Windows 2000 . Microsoft has taken their time and have released some crappy stuff, however they have released some kick-butt products, if MS doesnt release a version of Windows in a few years, it doesnt mean they dont care. If Linux were to do the same thing, it doesnt mean they dont care. There are many things that go on behind the scenes that some people choose to overlook in all companies, and even open source projects.

on the Apple v. PC debate, both have released some great stuff, but if you look at it, Apple's OSX is basically copying *nix, with a few modifications, I have yet to see a PC do what the Apple OS does. Mind you some PC hardware can be modified to make it look exactly like MacOSX, also because Apple hasnt released anything (and it goes back to the MS v. Linux debate) doesnt mean Apple doesnt care... Apple does care, thats why it took them time to roll out the ipod, which is a wonderful product.

Basically things take time to make great, they go through several versions of stuff to perfect it for the public to see, and that goes with all companies.

Point is: I dont want to stop discussion, but I look at the issue in a logical sense, and how people react to it, everyone seems to be blind to the real truth, and makes all these assumptions, alligations, guesses, and possible outcomes. It isnt a bad thing, but what the proceding is, is just my opinion.

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