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mikieson
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360.  Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 10:31 am Post subject: OH well... |
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Im not a big debater or know much about laws. But I do know I love DDR. I do wish they would put out some "real" home versions and not all this American crap we get. That is why I moded my PS2. I play Jap games. We get nothing but junk. I dont know anything about ITG but it seems like a big DDR ripoff.
I want more original DDR games!!!! |
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yyr
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| 361. Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 10:33 am Post subject: |
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| iamstorm wrote: | | Just an FYI for everyone, it is very possible that the home version will not be released. I am not saying this is confirmed, but I contacted a Roxor Games employee and asked if In The Groove was still going to come out, and he said "I cannot comment on anything .... I just can't ... I cannot comment on anything" .... and that was that. |
I wouldn't take a thousand bucks to be that guy for an hour right now.
Judging from this, the best thing we can do is attempt not to further bother anyone at RoXoR when they have plenty to be bothered about already.
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Anthony of TGA
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| 362. Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 10:34 am Post subject: Re: OH well... |
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| mikieson wrote: | Im not a big debater or know much about laws. But I do know I love DDR. I do wish they would put out some "real" home versions and not all this American crap we get. That is why I moded my PS2. I play Jap games. We get nothing but junk. I dont know anything about ITG but it seems like a big DDR ripoff.
I want more original DDR games!!!! |
Why is it always the idiots? We don't care what you want, this isn't about you or what you want. This is about the Konami/RoXoR injunction case, if you don't have input for that don't wast time. What is wrong with you? |
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iamstorm
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| 363. Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 10:35 am Post subject: |
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Ummm ... excuse me ... I never said THERE WILL BE NO IN THE GROOVE, I said it's a good possibility. So excuse the hell out of me. I was just saying that there is no longer a guarantee that the game will be shipped out in May. So next time I here something from staff I'll just keep it to myself.
Oh yah, one more thing, you don't have to try and get ahold of Roxor people, because they are NOT answering phones at the present time. It was a staff's cell phone.
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Reenee
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| 364. Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 10:37 am Post subject: Re: OH well... |
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| tpmwr wrote: | | mikieson wrote: | Im not a big debater or know much about laws. But I do know I love DDR. I do wish they would put out some "real" home versions and not all this American crap we get. That is why I moded my PS2. I play Jap games. We get nothing but junk. I dont know anything about ITG but it seems like a big DDR ripoff.
I want more original DDR games!!!! |
Why is it always the idiots? We don't care what you want, this isn't about you or what you want. This is about the Konami/RoXoR injunction case, if you don't have input for that don't wast time. What is wrong with you? |
Thank you. There are some really unnecessary posts in here that don't contribute to the discussion at hand. This is not for fucking fanboyism. Nobody cares. It's fallen on deaf ears, and it's just useless space. KEEP THREAD SHORT KTHX. |
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Anthony of TGA
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| 365. Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 10:37 am Post subject: |
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| iamstorm wrote: | | Ummm ... excuse me ... I never said THERE WILL BE NO IN THE GROOVE, I said it's a good possibility. So excuse the hell out of me. I was just saying that there is no longer a guarantee that the game will be shipped out in May. So next time I here something from staff I'll just keep it to myself. |
I have been talking to friends on the staff for a few hours now. I am getting the same responce you are, noticed I haven't posted anything saying there is no hope. Thats because what both you and I have heard is nothing at all. once you actually hear SOMETHING then you can post. "I cannot comment" = nothing at all. |
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Anthony of TGA
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| 366. Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 10:42 am Post subject: Re: OH well... |
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| [HENTAI] Reenee wrote: | | Thank you. There are some really unnecessary posts in here that don't contribute to the discussion at hand. This is not for fucking fanboyism. Nobody cares. It's fallen on deaf ears, and it's just useless space. KEEP THREAD SHORT KTHX. |
Eh, consider it a birthday gift. :-p It is your birthday isn't it? |
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iamstorm
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| 367. Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 10:42 am Post subject: |
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| tpmwr wrote: | | iamstorm wrote: | | Ummm ... excuse me ... I never said THERE WILL BE NO IN THE GROOVE, I said it's a good possibility. So excuse the hell out of me. I was just saying that there is no longer a guarantee that the game will be shipped out in May. So next time I here something from staff I'll just keep it to myself. |
I have been talking to friends on the staff for a few hours now. I am getting the same responce you are, noticed I haven't posted anything saying there is no hope. Thats because what both you and I have heard is nothing at all. once you actually hear SOMETHING then you can post. "I cannot comment" = nothing at all. |
Well I'm sorry I completely ruined your day so bad that you'd like to shoot me for my stupid comments. Give people a little bit of slack, because I'm sure you have made stupid comments yourself. |
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Alezay
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| 368. Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 10:42 am Post subject: |
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| mikieson wrote: | | I dont know anything about ITG but it seems like a big DDR ripoff. |
How many times has this been said? ITG is not a DDR ripoff. It's a DDR KILLER.
However, I still think Konami only wants money and sees the cabinet thing to be a "pay off big" thing. It's not like Konami has really made anything special over the past few years. Mostly disappointments. I'd be happy if they left the game market for good. Is Konami as a whole suing RoXoR? Or is it a certain extension?
Oops, sorry I didn't read. Konami of Japan.....proof they hate North America. They see a game that's NEVER coming their way that destroys their game, and they jump on it. B I T C H E S.
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[B&] DumpsterKeeper
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| 369. Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 10:46 am Post subject: |
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| Alezay wrote: | | Is Konami as a whole suing RoXoR? Or is it a certain extension? |
Konami's divisions are now married into "Konami Corporation" as far as I know, so I guess it's Konami Corporation "as a whole"
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Anthony of TGA
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| 370. Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 10:47 am Post subject: |
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| iamstorm wrote: | | tpmwr wrote: | | iamstorm wrote: | | Ummm ... excuse me ... I never said THERE WILL BE NO IN THE GROOVE, I said it's a good possibility. So excuse the hell out of me. I was just saying that there is no longer a guarantee that the game will be shipped out in May. So next time I here something from staff I'll just keep it to myself. |
I have been talking to friends on the staff for a few hours now. I am getting the same response you are, noticed I haven't posted anything saying there is no hope. That's because what both you and I have heard is nothing at all. once you actually hear SOMETHING then you can post. "I cannot comment" = nothing at all. |
Well I'm sorry I completely ruined your day so bad that you'd like to shoot me for my stupid comments. Give people a little bit of slack, because I'm sure you have made stupid comments yourself. |
Just don't make posts that tell kids the ps2 game is not going to come out. The majority of the people in this thread are idiots. They cannot comprehend this injunction is not against the ps2 game (as you can't comprehend either). When you say things like the ps2 game isn't coming out, these fragile idiots start to worry about the money they have already given to pre-order the game. You need to understand that the majority of ddr freak people are stupid, you have to be easy with them and not speculate, because a rumor of a snowball will turn into an avalanche with these idiots.
And since I know you are going to ask why am I posting since I called the majority of people idiots. The reason I am posting is to hopefully give the few intelligent ddr freak readers insight of what is going on. Because someone has to.
BTW, kudos to all of the mods who have posted in this thread, one intelligent comment after another, no speculation or rumors, I must say well done. |
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Alezay
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| 371. Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 10:47 am Post subject: |
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| [B&] DumpsterKeeper wrote: | | Alezay wrote: | | Is Konami as a whole suing RoXoR? Or is it a certain extension? |
Konami's divisions are now married into "Konami Corporation" as far as I know, so I guess it's Konami Corporation "as a whole" |
Repeated for emphasis.
Oops, sorry I didn't read. Konami of Japan.....proof they hate North America. They see a game that's NEVER coming their way that destroys their game, and they jump on it. B I T C H E S.
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IguanaGrrl
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| 372. Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 10:48 am Post subject: |
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Ok, so I lied. I have to say something.
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How many times has this been said? ITG is not a DDR ripoff. It's a DDR KILLER. |
THE SKY IS FALLING! THE SKY IS FALLING!
| Alezay wrote: | | Oops, sorry I didn't read. Konami of Japan.....proof they hate North America. They see a game that's NEVER coming their way that destroys their game, and they jump on it. doggy. |
No, if that were the case, then they hate Korea, too. What they hate is people infringing on their rights.
I have a feeling, however, that no amount of logic is going to get through to some people.
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Cutriss
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| 373. Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 10:49 am Post subject: |
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| IguanaGrrl wrote: | | I have a feeling, however, that no amount of logic is going to get through to some people. |
That's why I quit posting in this thread.
After this post, anyway...
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Anthony of TGA
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| 374. Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 10:50 am Post subject: |
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| Alezay wrote: | | Oops, sorry I didn't read. Konami of Japan.....proof they hate North America. They see a game that's NEVER coming their way that destroys their game, and they jump on it. B I T C H E S. |
Sorry to double post but you are an idiot. ITG has been showing up in Japan recently. I work at an arcade, and alot of the Japanise distributors I have been calling for parts lately have been trying to sell me ITG. Look into things before posting. And as for ITG being a "DDR KILLER". Way to steal Pump It Up's line, lets keep this to the suite not your foolish opinions about ITG or DDR. |
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iamstorm
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| 375. Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 10:50 am Post subject: |
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| Alright I see where you are coming from, it's straight. |
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Devil Jin
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| 376. Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 11:03 am Post subject: |
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Sheesh these forums are turning into a battlefield (mainly with ignorant banter and blabbering). I guess I'll TRY to give as intelligent a response as I can.
As a preson who has preordered ITG and highly anticipated the release, I understande where the angered ITG people are coming from. But I gotta say that we really have to calm down here. There is nothing to be gained from going on to these boards and saying "Konami is evil or DAMN KONAMI B I T C H E S!!" it's just not gonna make things any better. All we can do is just wait on what happens in the court because, l;ike it or not, it's gonna happen. Wheter or not the home version is affcted is another issue that we have to sit back and wait on (at least I think so), some people say it will others say it don't (I'm guessing it won't but as I said it's something we have to wait on).
Bottom line is, we all can't really say anything about what will happen because have no real information.
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| 377. Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 11:22 am Post subject: |
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I really don't think this suit will kill Roxor entirely. They may not make a profit over the legal fees with ITG2, but I think ITG3 will keep them in the red.
And whoever made that banner that's going in people's signatures, why is ITG the future of music games when you have all the rest of Bemani, and PIU? And why is Konami sue happy, when they really have every legal right to sue ITG, and should?
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| 378. Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 11:30 am Post subject: Re: A tiny bit of legal analysis |
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| Aaron_Kwok wrote: | | Lost_Sage wrote: | | But considering what's coming out - ITG2, which appears to be more free, if not completely free, of the patent issues, and the console version, which is clear of the patent problem altogether, that's not surprising in some ways. The imminent harm -- arguably legal ITG products -- is not the harm being complained of -- the ITG1 kits being stuffed in DDR consoles and allegedly "passed off" as critically-acclaimed Konami products. |
So... Konami's claim is that Roxor is trying to pass of In The Groove as a product that came from Konami, hoping to use Konami's fame to further ITG? |
That's pretty much it - why you have people saying, "hey, they don't always replace the arrows / there are still visible DDR elements on the kit-modded machine."
BUT, on a larger scale, even if everything visibly DDR was covered up, Konami's argument is still the confusion that results from people going up to it and playing it, thinking it's a Konami thing. Or that Roxor is counting on that reaction (read the paragraphs of the complaint about who they are targeting) to have people play the game. That is the "dilution" argument in IP litigation: someone is using the goodwill of your brand for free without permission.
And that's what gives them the "irreparable harm" requirement needed for an injunction. While money damages would be more than fine to strip Roxor of the profit it allegedly made off of Konami's tech, it can't directly force Roxor to stop (it only does so indirectly). Injunctions correct behavior for that reason.
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| 379. Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 11:30 am Post subject: |
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| tpmwr wrote: | | iamstorm wrote: | | tpmwr wrote: | | iamstorm wrote: | | Ummm ... excuse me ... I never said THERE WILL BE NO IN THE GROOVE, I said it's a good possibility... |
I have been talking to friends on the staff for a few hours now. I am getting the same response you are, noticed I haven't posted anything saying there is no hope... |
Well I'm sorry I completely ruined your day so bad that you'd like to shoot me for my stupid comments... |
And since I know you are going to ask why am I posting since I called the majority of people idiots. The reason I am posting is to hopefully give the few intelligent ddr freak readers insight of what is going on. Because someone has to. |
And I wanted to keep the nested quote up there just to show how you most recently turned a single ill-conceived post into a half-page doggy. Pardon me if I'm ungrateful for your "insight", but I'm noticing the signal-to-noise ratio in your posts as a group is pretty damn low. If you can't stop reprimanding everyone who isn't contributing something, could you at least take the hater-ation down a few notches so you aren't baiting them?
As for my contribution, I can understand those who say that Konami's chief interest is to cripple RoXoR, to make the legal battle so costly that they can't go back to making and selling games even if they win. Even if we grant that, I'm at a loss as to how that could affect the ITG PS2 release, and not just because the complaint as it stands is only about arcade machines.
A week ago, John Tam said that the gold masters had been approved, and were being submitted to manufacturing. The release date has only been given as "May", meaning on the outside (per the pre-complaint plan) a little less than 3 weeks. Since there's nothing in the complaint about the console game, an injunction was not requested, and a court date has not been set (if they don't settle fairly quickly), even if RoXoR wanted to conserve every possible resource for the upcoming legal battle, I suspect (business experts are free to correct me) that the physical games are already in production or have finished production, and can't be converted back into legal tender at this point except by selling 
Be gloomy if you want about future prospects for RoXoR/ITG, but I'm feeling pretty safe about this home game release happening in a timely fashion, and I'd be interested if anyone can find a cloud for my silver lining. |
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