Trouble in Groove-land

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http://videos.ddrfreak.com/docs/konami_v_roxor/Main_Document.pdf
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[Boots]

Having played both ITG and DDR, I can say that ITG is a nice breath of fresh air from DDR however by no means a replacement. The only thing that interested me were the insane step charts, all of which except Euphoria and pandemonium oni I did with little problem.

I've become more partial to hooking my pad up to StepMania and playing keyboard megapack songs on foot. It takes a REAL man to play Dokudenpa on foot!

I like both ITG and DDR, but I can probably safely say that anyone associated with RoXoR games will have a huge mess on their hands if they essentially destroy the American DDR scene by having machines removed.

... if you catch my drift...

[Wolfman Jake]

The thing I love best about this thread is how it's immediately used by all the "1337" players to start swinging their e-genitals around once again in defense of whether they like ketchup or catsup People have every right to like/hate either game, like/hate the music selection in either game, like/hate the steps in either game, etc. No one is "right" in any of those matters; every single one of those points is so subjective as to be completely laughable.

To all Konami haters: Konami's actions speak of business intelligence right now. Period. This was the perfect time to strike.

To all Konami lovers: please respect that other people like ITG and don't want it quashed. The "I told you so" stuff is not going to win you popularity contests.

To everyone who thinks Konami has no right to sue if they haven't made a new arcade game in 2.5 years: wake the hell up. It's still Konami's intellectual property. They have every right to defend it and are taking the means necessary to do so. The law gets to decide who wins.

To everyone who thinks only ITG gives people what they want in a dance game: ITG has catered to the top of the DDR player pyramid, but that's still a small percentage. The jury is still out on what the game's mass appeal will be, and the hopefully still impending ITG PS2 release will finally put that to the test. But remember, there is a reason that Konami has reported great gains through sales of DDR to date in the US and specifically DDR EX US and DDR UM2 last year. There are a lot more people out there that aren't as 1337 as the top 5% of players, and they like the game just fine. Apparantly they've been eating it up; that tells me Konami's DDR formula for the US has been doing them just fine. Konami doesn't have to cater to a small precentage of gaijin who fawn over anything Japanese or jaded videogame players who don't remember how to have fun if they're not proving they can sprint in place faster than everyone else.

So everyone, just realize you can go out there and be happy with whatever the hell you choose in a game that allows you to jump around like a monkey and imagine like you'd actually look cool in a real club.
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Wolfman Jake

[Arch0wl IV]

[Gamer X]

[LET ME SHOW YOU THEM]

In The Groove isn't just aimed at the top tier players. ITG1 may seem like it, and some of the easier steps aren't the best in the world, but what sets RoXoR apart is the fact that people complained about it, they listened, and are trying to fix that in ITG2. I'll be happy as long as we keep getting new releases of games. If they're from RoXoR, awesome, if from Konami, I'll play that too.

*edit* lol i'm reading the court document, and under #20 Revolution is spelled Revoltution heh..so basically, Konami is claiming to hold the patent for the game Dance Dance Revoltution, has anyone heard of that?
#26 is saying that Konami's marks aren't being covered up so ITG is advertising both RoXoR and Konami. How is that RoXoR's fault that an arcade doesn't put all the stickers on the machine?

A fully stickered machine I know it isn't the best picture, i'll get one soon.
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theficionado wrote:

Seriously, they should make some sort of spray for you.

[CHROMEDOME]

Can someone tell me what those court papers are talking about, they are extremely confusing and too long. What does konami want from roxor?
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[Wolfman Jake]

Heh, that's legal mumbo-jumbo for you. I assume it's tantamount to learning a foreign language. Looking at legal documents like that makes me so thankful I never even entertained the thought of going to law school, lol. Psychological mumbo-jumbo is more my cup of tea
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Wolfman Jake

[JGB]

Here's a burning question:

Would Konami have called poo-poo on Roxor IF Roxor had made ITG in their own cabinets, like they are planning with ITG2?

Also, if you, the DDR lover, want to be heard, let Konami know your thoughts, as well as Roxor!

If you look at this, we won't win if Konami does get their way, so be heard!

-Jon

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[Char]

I pretty much came back to post the above. It'd be interesting to see someone who actually understands legal documents (HINT THIS PROBABLY MEANS NOT YOU) decypher this and tell us EXACTLY (no guessing) what Konami is upset about, how they can prove it, and what they want done about it.

[P-Chan]

[JoJoMexi]

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[Char]

[sfetaz]

After reading those documents, I do not think Roxor will have a chance of winning this case. Konami's points are clear and provable. I remember once going to an arcade with ITG and seeing that only the marquee was changed. None of the decals were added. That means you see an ITG marquee, the ITG game, and the words "Konami" and "Dance Dance Revolution" plastered all over the place together with ITG. Look at any ITG machines pads with stickers and see the words "Dance Dance Revolution." They can sue for things of this nature.

I will say it again, DDR is Konami's game and they do what they want with it within the limits of the law and the intilectual properties they own. Having DDR Extreme in an arcade in America is not illegal if Konami does nothing about it since its their game. If Konami decided to make a bootleg copy of Dancing Stage Fushion and put it in a United States arcade, who is going to sue them for doing so? Themselves? This is why having DDR in this country is not illegal. No one can be sued for anything relating to DDR except if sued by Konami. An artist such as Captain Jack cannot sue for anything related to DDR, just for any possible breaches in song rights contracts they have, which we have and will probably never have total knowledge of. Since Konami made DDR, regardless of where in the world, and own legal rights to it in the USA, no one can infringe on those rights.

I am not saying Roxor did this, or if they did that they did it intentially, but based on the court documents, Konami's points are almost 100% provable.

[midnightclub x]

All i can say about the lawsuit is:If konami wins the lawsuit,the game might be cancelled?

[Wolfman Jake]

In one of the many, many lines in that document, Konami makes the claim that Roxor specifically writes in its Boxor instructions for the arcade manager to remove the system 573 DDR board and replace it with the Boxor kit. If that really is in writing, that's very not good for Roxor
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Wolfman Jake

[Arch0wl IV]

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