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Okibi
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20. Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 6:49 pm Post subject:

Bemani has made a fairly big impact on my local arcades. We have 3 DDR machines, 2 Pump It Up machines, 1 Percussion Freaks, 1 EZ2DJ, 1 Beatmania machine and I think we used to have a Guitar Freaks machine, too. In fact one Korean owned arcade is nearly entirely dedicated to Bemani games, besides a couple PuriPuri booths and a couple old Tekken games. And to comment on the 'dying of DDR' in Japan. I was recently in the Tokyo area, and the DDR machines were never without players. And we're talking about 5 or more DDR machines per arcade. _________________

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Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 7:59 pm Post subject:

~Reign~ wrote:

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Well from my experiences with IIDX it was never meant to be "fun". It's never been a word I would use to describe IIDX.

Ok, I don't get this. You don't think IIDX is fun, or you don't think it was meant to be fun? What kind of shit is that? I play IIDX. I play it a helluva lot more than DDR. Why? Because it's fun! I think it's more fun than DDR. Sure, it takes quite some skill to get better, but that's half the fun right there: trying to get better. You call yourself a gamer, and you make a remark like that? Even if you don't call yourself a gamer, that's just a retarded thing to say. Period. If IIDX wasn't meant to be fun, why is it that people play IIDX more than DDR nowadays?

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As I have always known; the japanese are quite serious when they set their minds to things. No matter how hard it may be they always fight to the end. They are taught to put everything into what they do. That's why they can excel at stuff like this. That's just a cultural difference.

That is NOT true. ANYONE can do ANYTHING if they put their mind to it. The japanese are just more persistant than any other race at whatever they do. If you wanna be japanese so bad, move to Japan and send me a postcard or somen.

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I remember when I first started playing DDR. I told myself that I would excel at this because it was something worth exceling at. Not once did I ever say that I wanted to have fun playing DDR.

So let me get this straight: you don't play DDR to have fun? You play to excel at it? Ok, that is...interesting. So you spend all this money playing a game you don't have fun with? Do you even LIKE DDR? You want to make a career out of it or something? I don't know if anyone told you, but DDR is dying...Fast. Not to many people play DDR in Japan from what I hear. They mostly play IIDX or fighting games. So what you gonna do once DDR is dead?

That's right!!! I stand by what I've said. If you don't like it then too bad. I don't even play DDR anymore. I've moved on the greener pastures of IIDX and pop'n land.

Maybe you aren't reading my post close enough. I'm probably more of a gamer than 75% of these wanna-bes now-a-days. And also, for your info I'm not trying to be Japanese my friend. I am Hirakashi Ryu. I can only be me. If you have a problem with that then I feel sorry for you and your stupidity. Also, I will send you a post card when I move to japan.

Lastly, I never played DDR for fun nor am I playing IIDX to have fun. If you want to have fun that's your business. I really don't believe in that B.S. anymore. There are some games I have plenty of fun with, but the bemani series isn't part of that equation.

Part of the reason why I stopped playing DDR was because I got sick of being around people that wanted to have fun. Jumping around like idiots doing ugly dance moves. Give me a break. Can't we just all just get our AAA and go home for the day.

I'm sorry to say this but the IIDX crowd is quite different than the DDR crowd.

I'm done!!

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For a beginner, if learning how to play pop'n music is like a parent holding his / her child's hand while crossing a busty street, then learning to play IIDX is like being kicked out of a moving car in the middle of nowhere and having to scrape enough money for a taxi cab ride home.

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Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 8:13 pm Post subject:

Ryu_Hirakashi wrote:

I don't give a Rat's @ss if people care or admire what I do. Like everything else in this world; something only has value when man puts value into it.

I'm just trying to understand what it is you mean. You say it's not fun, and you say you don't care if other people think it has value, but obviously you have attached value to it, since you said it was "worth excelling at". I'm just trying to understand where this value is coming from, if you're telling us that you don't enjoy it, and you don't care about other people's opinions. It makes the effort seem so.... random.

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Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 8:19 pm Post subject:

Slowpoke wrote:

Ryu_Hirakashi wrote:

I don't give a Rat's @ss if people care or admire what I do. Like everything else in this world; something only has value when man puts value into it.

It's a form of expression!! Like art!! Art as many forms and means different things to different people. The bemani series is just the perfect example of that.

Edit: You want to know what I do find fun. Shouting with you. You are quite the intelligent person. It makes you a worthy advisary in a debate. Thanks!!

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Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 9:08 pm Post subject:

Ryu_Hirakashi wrote:

Slowpoke wrote:

Ryu_Hirakashi wrote:

I don't give a Rat's @ss if people care or admire what I do. Like everything else in this world; something only has value when man puts value into it.

no offense or anything, but people who express themselves usually like what they are doing to express... ranging from video games to actual performances. but i don't get why you're even playing these games if your only motive is to excell. i mean theres gotta be another reason than that... its like youre being forced to listen to gross unpopular music in the car, but you suck it up anyways even though you are free to pop in a CD of your choice... it seems kind of stupid to me

sorry if i offended you but thats what i think
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Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 11:35 pm Post subject:

Ryu_Hirakashi wrote:

I never played DDR for fun nor am I playing IIDX to have fun. If you want to have fun that's your business. I really don't believe in that B.S. anymore. There are some games I have plenty of fun with, but the bemani series isn't part of that equation.

Aight I get what you're saying in a way, but I gotta ask: Why are you playing the bemani series if you're not having fun? And if you don't believe in having fun with playing video games, then what's the point of playing?

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Part of the reason why I stopped playing DDR was because I got sick of being around people that wanted to have fun. Jumping around like idiots doing ugly dance moves. Give me a break. Can't we just all just get our AAA and go home for the day.

Well now, that would be rather boring, wouldn't it? Just playing to get that elusive AAA?

You know what? I am starting to think you're just putting on some sort of front like you're this bad ass who only plays games to be the best. You invest all this time and money into something you don't even enjoy. Hmph...And you call yourself a gamer.

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I'm sorry to say this but the IIDX crowd is quite different than the DDR crowd.

Do you know the ENTIRE IIDX crowd? Have you talked to EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO PLAYS IIDX or DDR for that matter? Maybe in your area the 2 crowds are different, but where I'm at there is no 2 different crowds. There's only one: the Bemani crowd. Sure you got your players that excell in DDR, then the ones who excell in IIDX, PnP, GF, DM, whatever. We don't stop hanging with someone just because of how they know or don't know how to have fun.

Just because you don't want to have fun, doesn't mean everyone that does know how to have fun are idiots jumping around. Now, if you have a problem with THAT, then I feel sorry for YOU and YOUR stupidity.
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Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 7:28 am Post subject:

Ryu_Hirakashi wrote:

Thank you for the compliment... your posts always seem to generate a different level of conversation around here... very worthwhile.

I think we're finally getting somewhere though... "art" and expressing one's self IS a form of enjoyment, in that one derives satisfaction from it. You might not want to call it "fun", but I think one could argue that this qualifies. Even the stereotype of the "tortured artist" is experiencing a level of enjoyment in their misery, albeit on the masochistic level.

Now, I wouldn't go so far as to classify you in THAT extreme (because let's face it, DDR doesn't rate too highly on the "misery" scale), but I can see you gravitating a bit towards that end of the spectrum. You might not want to call it "fun", but I really don't think what you experience is as different from what other people experience as you'd like to think.

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27. Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 7:31 am Post subject:

Quite possibly because this is DDRFREAK.com.

Ryu_Hirakashi
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Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 8:20 am Post subject:

Slowpoke wrote:

Ryu_Hirakashi wrote:

It's nice to know that someone finally understands. It's not only that but I love music. I love the complexities of such a wonderful science. Isn't this the only reason we need?

In my closing statement I'd like to say that DDR only seems to derive a limited form of expression. I believe the other bemani should be bought over to give people in the country more of a choice and to allow them to take their love of music to another level.

I hope this post here will provide some kind of closure to this thread.

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Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 12:31 pm Post subject:

Ryu_Hirakashi wrote:

In my closing statement I'd like to say that DDR only seems to derive a limited form of expression. I believe the other bemani should be bought over to give people in the country more of a choice and to allow them to take their love of music to another level.

Erm...Mambo A Go Go is here, Keyboardmania is here, Para Para Paradise is here, Drumania is here, Guitar freaks is here, all three versions of Beatmania is here, and Pop'n'Music is here.

Sooooo....Whatcha talkin bout?
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Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 12:56 pm Post subject:

IMO the reason why DDR is getting alot of attention is that arcades are only able to puchase one bemani machine, but when they try to buy another it is too expensive, but like MGL, who has a grip of bemani machine that i could recall, they are f***ing rich

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Ryu_Hirakashi
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Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 1:31 pm Post subject:

~Reign~ wrote:

Ryu_Hirakashi wrote:

I know of one arcade near me that has IIDX and It takes 3 hours for me just to go there by train. Other than that I'd have to make pilgrimage out of it to go to any other arcade. If the rest of the bemani series was so easy to find we wouldn't be having this conversation.

I think the situation is the same with the consoles. The only way you are going to play anything other than DDR is if you import it. The money aspect of it might work for the arcade versions, but why hasn't konami of america tried to bring any of the other bemani here? It's a logical question. I mean if there is a whole series of bemani games then why not bring them over as well. If DDR is so popular shouldn't this open the doorway for the other bemani.

Try asnwering that since you happen to have all the answers.

Edit: The mentioned arcade has PPP,guitarfreaks, and ITG. But this arcade is quite a rare example indeed.

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32. Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 3:54 pm Post subject: Other Bemani games?...

All of the other Bemani games like Guitar Freaks, DrumMania, Para Para Paradise, Pop 'N Music, Mambo A Gogo, Taiko Drum Game, Shakka De Tambourine, Sambo de Amigo, Crackin' DJ, EZ2DJ, EZ2Dancer, Martial Beat and many others ROCK! Is that a trip or what? Please reply, over! Thanks! tempest6

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Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 4:05 pm Post subject:

Ryu_Hirakashi wrote:

The only way you are going to play anything other than DDR is if you import it. The money aspect of it might work for the arcade versions, but why hasn't konami of america tried to bring any of the other bemani here? It's a logical question. I mean if there is a whole series of bemani games then why not bring them over as well. If DDR is so popular shouldn't this open the doorway for the other bemani.

Try asnwering that since you happen to have all the answers.

Hell, I'll give it a shot: Take a look at the Bemani series. It's pretty obvious that DDR is the 2nd easiest game out of the series. 1st being Dance Maniax. Only took me 5 minutes to learn double on wild. Maybe that's just me. Anyways, I'm taking a guess here. The reason why I think the other Bemani games are not being brought over here is because of the learning curve of the games.

Let's take Pop'n'Music for instance. 9 big ass bubble like keys. There's a 5 key option on it to make it easier. Now, think of the learning curve that game has. It's not a game you can just pick up and be good at it right away. That game takes time, and lots of it, not to mention lots and lots of tokens.

America has been having beef with video games for decades saying the youth don't go out and do other things like riding bikes or playing sports rather than sitting on their asses all day playing games. Maybe that's why you see DDR on the news every now and again saying how it's great that kids are playing this game and getting some excercise.

As far as the arcade aspect goes, shiet that's simple: there's no more KoA coin-op. Hasn't been for quite some time now. Why you think there was never another DDR USA mix?
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Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 9:35 pm Post subject:

~Reign~ wrote:

Ryu_Hirakashi wrote:

So by your synopsis(sp?) you are saying that people here should only play simple music games. If you are right then people here are just too danm lazy!!!

I believe with all my heart that gaming should be challenging. The only games that are truly worth playing are the one's that challenge you. Video Gaming as come along way since the days of the atari 2600. People should want and expect more now-a-days.

The same should apply to the bemani series. People should expect this series to be just as demanding. The only way that it will happen is by playing with our fingers, and pushing the limit.

People act as if video games aren't supposed to be challenging. DDR is good for what it is, but it has limits. The other bemani can be pushed further. As a gamer I want to evolve. Why can't everyone else want to do the same. Pretty graphics will only get us but so far. Good gameplay is what it is all about.

Oh, and I didn't want you to anwer the question about the the arcade games. It's common knowledge that KOA's arcade division went out of business.

Edit: When I was a youth I played a multitude of sports and I practiced the martial arts, while I sat on my @ss playing video games. I still haven't changed one bit. I'm preparing for my first marathon. When I was a teen I kept an equlibrium between my active lifestyle and my idle one.

If you ask me it's the parents fault for not pushing their kids to get out and excersize(sp?). I think this kind of thing goes hand in hand. People should learn to challenge their bodies as well as their minds.

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Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 11:31 pm Post subject:

Ryu_Hirakashi wrote:

If you ask me it's the parents fault for not pushing their kids to get out and excersize(sp?). I think this kind of thing goes hand in hand. People should learn to challenge their bodies as well as their minds.

Wait, you're saying that the reason that there are no other Bemani games here other than DDR is that the parents don't make their kids excercise enough? Hmm...clarify please!

But overall, I do agree. I desperately wish I could have access to IIDX or Pop'n. I guess I could get an imported home version, but it's just not the same. Stupid lazy Americans. Seriously, games are getting easier and easier. IMO, video gaming reached its prime with the Super NES. I seriously am soooo bored by the difficulty level of today's games... I need to get some other Bemani games...
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Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 12:07 am Post subject:

eyebrowsoffire wrote:

Ryu_Hirakashi wrote:

I'm saying that is the reason why people use DDR for exercise.

Sorry if my last post seemed kind of incoherent. I think a lot and everything doesn't always come out right.

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Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 11:34 am Post subject:

Ryu_Hirakashi wrote:

People act as if video games aren't supposed to be challenging. DDR is good for what it is, but it has limits. The other bemani can be pushed further. As a gamer I want to evolve. Why can't everyone else want to do the same.

I'm gonna tell you why: Not everyone is like you. Everyone else doesn't want to do the same because they don't take games as serious as you. I'm a hardcore gamer, but hey I can't expect everyone else to be the same just because I want them to, and maybe they don't like games as much as me, so I just have to deal with that. You should do the same.

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If you ask me it's the parents fault for not pushing their kids to get out and excersize(sp?). I think this kind of thing goes hand in hand.

You know what? You're right. It IS the parent's fault for not pushing their kids, and they don't want to take responsibility for it. They want to blame it on video games. Parents need to accept the fact that its not the game companies' fault that their kids are fat or out of shape.

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People should learn to challenge their bodies as well as their minds.

That's up to that individual. If they want to challenge their minds and bodies, then they'll do just that, but they not gonna do it just because you said they should. It all comes down to choice. You wanted to challenge your mind and body, so you did so. I do the same thing. About a million of us have done the same thing, but that don't mean everybody else has to do it just because the next person did it.
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Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 12:24 pm Post subject:

Reign wrote:

You got me here. But I just hope that this attitude doesn't continue to reflect on the products that developers release. I just want all of us to be happy and satisfied. Not just the casual gamers.

Reign wrote:

Again I yield on this point. But on this point I'll refer back to point I stated earlier.

Ryu_Hirakashi wrote:

And on this note I thank everyone that attributed their comments to this debate. I can only hope that there will be more exciting threads like this in the future.

**bows**

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39. Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 8:15 pm Post subject:

I agree completely 1st poster. DDR is mainly the most common and well known and popular because it is the most common! Seriously, how often do you see a Pop'n Music machine at your local arcade? _________________ Trying to build a mat...

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