speeding up songs, do you lose respect for that?

[diddrstrait]

[Daniel]

[diddrstrait]

I don't know about you, but A on IIDX is insanely hard to me. Harder than any song in DDR. Sure, 5 key beatmania I is pretty simple. people use speed mods in IIDX too. sorry, but I have to disagree with your statement that IIDX and Pop'n are easier than DDR. that'll just have to be something we can't agree on :0). I respect anyone who has the ability to get up and play without being a total egotistical jerk about it, regardless of whether they use mods.

and if I recall correctly, Stepmania is developed by the same programers as in the groove. It has all the same mods and modes (except endless I believe) and it runs on Linux (unless they switched back to XP, which I believe they were using initially). Other than the fact that people can't import their own songs (due to licensing issues), it's basically the same exact thing, except hooked up to a DDR machine (which you can do with a PC and SM anyway).

[not dryad]

I've got a good one; who gives a shit? If someone wants to be an elitist and look down on you for using a speed mod, then let them.
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[Daniel]

[diddrstrait]

1. I was talking about the song A, not "getting an A." and if you've ever seen someone play it, there is nothing "easy" about it. Or Colors, or Sync, or any other 7 in IIDX. they are just plain hard. Constant streams of 16th notes at upwards of 190 beats a minute. you won't see that in DDR.

2. I'm completely aware of what you mean by stepmania is user customizable, which is why I stated that it is the same EXCEPT for the fact that you can't have your own songs in there. I was merely using ITG as an example of why your opinion on speed mods is so seemingly non-sensical. You say it's okay to use them in pump it up, but not in DDR. Two games that are so similar there was a lawsuit over which company owned the right to the concept. I'm really sorry, but that makes absolutely no sense.

they're just arrows. and the way I see it, you shouldn't give a crap about what someone does on their game. They are paying for it, so it really shouldn't matter. "losing respect" for someone because they take advantage of an option available through no special code or hidden feature (unless you really consider the options menu hidden) is pretty foolish. sorry, but I just have to disagree with what you're saying. That's just the way it is.

have a nice day :0)

[ThyrstyFysh]

I lose respect for people who talk poopy then get the same score or a little better on some random heavy song with 1.5x. I know it's just a game but I also lose respect for bar rapers. I think it's a really bad habit to start and IN MY OPINION it is not how the game should be played.

[Adamo]

I have nothing against people who speed up a song, because technically, I do the same thing. It helps me find the beat and is easier for me. Bar rapers on the other hand get on my nerves... Especially if they brag that they can do The Legend of Max... Only because they're holding the bar...
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Let's stay away from the Bar Raping subject (as temping as it is).
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[TehWhack]

Ofcoarse playing on X1 is better than speeding up.

With x1 you're relying on mostly the beat.
With speed mods you're not only relying on the beat, but actually reading the arrows clearly.

Simple as that.

[Daniel]

[foyboy21]

Speed mods are fun! I used to play songs up to 125bpm on 8x heavy shuffle, and that sure did NOT make them easier.

I like some of the discussion going on here, there have been some good points.

Why would they put them in the game if they did not want players to use them?

Back during 1st mix playing on hidden shuffle was great, during later mixes when sudden was invented that became fun. So why all the hatin when more mods, such as speed came around? Is it the "it took me a long time to read 1x and now a new guy can learn so much faster because he uses speed mods?"

Ah well, go have fun and don't worry to much about OTHER people, just have fun yourslef (scary concept for some of you I know).

[diddrstrait]

The reason I brought it up is that you were somehow linking speed mods with the death of DDR, while it is obviously these more challenging (and entertaining) games that caused DDR to decline in Japan. Go to an arcade in japan and I'll bet you see way more people playing Pop'n or one of the beatmania permutations (with speed mods nonetheless).

as far as coloration of arrows goes, that doesn't matter to me. Solo does nothing for me. you know why? I'm color deficient. I lack the ability to discern some colors from other (red/green, blue/purple, etc.), so everything I see is flat in DDR for the most part. speed mods are a neccessity to me with the over-animated arrows in DDR max-extreme, while in the early mixes, I do just as well without them, because SSR mode is flat anyway and the color shifting in maniac mode on 4th mix is negligable.

perhaps you've misunderstood what I was arguing about, but I was not saying that you can't have your own views on speed mods. I was saying that it is pretty farfetched to use speed mods as a scapegoat for the death of DDR. I'll bet if other bemani make their way over to the US with sucessful home versions, you'll find DDR begin to die here, too. DDR didn't destroy itself, the public just got tired of it once it got too physically difficult for all but the hardcore. they decided to play games that were harder, had better music, and didn't make them physically sore or disgusting after playing.

now, there is also this matter of respect. Do you really not respect all the people that can AAA songs just because they use speed mods? how about the bar, that's one that gets made fun of a lot, too (I don't bar rape btw, but I don't see anything wrong with using what's attached to the machine). my point is, you don't have to agree with something to respect what they are doing. you blatently stated that you do not respect players who use speed mods. That means you don't respect the very best players in the world. Isn't there something wrong with that picture?

[soilwork]

When I first started, I was told it was easier to play on 1.5x. That's all I've ever played, and it's what I'm used to. Occasionally I'll forget and play on 1x, and at that point I trip over myself because I'm trying to hit things way too fast, at some of the stuff with 16th notes are hard to read, except I usually quit before I hit any part with 16th notes.

So, yea, that's my opinion.

[Thomas Hobbes]

There's no respect gained or lost if you play with speed mods at my local arcade because everyone plays with them on, unless you play on Oni mode. Heh.

The only people that play game mode with no speed mods at the arcade I go to are the tourists that don't even know how to play or the n00bs that don't know how to get to the Select Option screen.
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[Daniel]

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[KitsuDeXstrosity]

After a while, speed mods don't seem to be an issue. From my observations, they're primarily used to either a) show off or b) to see the arrows easier. Both aren't bad, I personally never used them except for one song (had to suck up my pride, I'm utterly determined to pass a certain song...). I like to view it as a handicap, but that's just my opinion.

Speed mods are used to show off when people begin to play at 8x and such, but around here, the majority of the DDR players play either at 1.5x or 2x.

Now what I want to see is a mod that physically speeds up the song, therefore speeding up the steps and actually making the timing different. (For those who never played it, TechnoMotion has a similar mod called "Bus").

-~-Evolved Spirit KitsuDeXstoristy

[You Touch My Tra-La-La.]

Am I the only person that uses speedmods primarily to make the song harder? I want to try and do it as fast as I can just for fun to see how fast I can read arrows.

(Btw, my record is 900BPM, I got a C on Max300 Standard with 3x speed...)
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