DDR extreme "Little bi=tch controversy"

[I_love_Captain_Jack]

Thats so lame, 13itch is just a female dog...

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[uouuɐ]

wow. all because of the word bitch. the first time i heard the word, it was from my dad when he was yelling on the phone (or at the tv in the middle of a football game, i can't remember which) when i was 3. and i think on the 5th mix arcade machine the song was "one two" and then the subtitle was "(little bitch)" even though the background stayed the same (but that was on a bootleg and i've never played on a legit 5th mix)

and let's list a few other words in song titles:
-Ectacy (left uncensored on US home versions)
-a little bit of ectacy(same as above)
-Gentle stress(sexual mix)(changed to sensual mix )
-the whistle song(blow my whistle bitch)(changed to baby)

out of all of those, the whistle song should be banned. not only does it have the word bitch in the name, the lyrics are crappilly censored and the guy is talking about blow jobs. and ectacy doesn't even have words in it, so "old hag" in clubbinguy's story is a fucking tard
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[DDRmom]

DawgBowl- heres a coincedence-talk to Lance-he came out for the Karmellas Game show with us and Po last night and the ska band 'Big D and the kids table' played Little Bit*h! I was freaking out-it was so awesome. After their set I was talking to them about DDR-totally cool guys btw. Lance wouldn't get in the ska pit though even though little Miguel and Patti did. Anyway their cover of Little Bit*h will be on their new release which comes out in October!
~mom~
ps-im me about the school thing and I'll see what I can do to help.
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[Liquid Zero]

Six Flags made a completely moronic move.

So what if the word B*tch was in the DDR EXTREME machine. They should have considered how society is, to begin with. 90% of the kids that parents concern about have been exposed to things much worse than a mere word displayed on a screen. It should also be noted that they are bound to be exposed to far worse anyway, so bringing down the machine solely on that is just plain stupid.

Also, they should be optimistic. The machine has far more benefits than its so-called "Curse word inclusion" setback. The kids will get more out of DDR if it were actually there than if it didn't appear at all. We are all aware of DDR's weight loss stories that make many health activists turn heads. And how it is a solution to the sedentary lifestyles of video game freaks, which is commonplace in the American kid society. And above all things, if they LIKE to play it, it BENEFITS by just getting out of the house and doing something constructive! It helps you meet fellow DDR players, which boosts social health, and other things.

I dunno about you, but I think those benefits outweigh any highly possible effect that "Little B*tch" can do. Even those crazy metaphors like Insertion, The Whistle Song lyrics, Ecstasy, etc etc.

The benefits are also much more likely to happen than any negative psychological effect the curse word would place on the kids that would be worth any heavy-concern from parents.
I believe that if they could do something really bad due to that word, the parents should slap themselves for not teaching their kids enough ethics of what words are right and what are not. (And most parents obviously do a good job of it anyway) Those who have the potential to actually have a bad effect from the word are most likely too young and uninterested for DDR and those who know better are most likely old enough for DDR.

I believe my point is foolproof (Unless a 10-year old has the influence effect of a 2-year old).
If Six Flags and "Concerned" parents looked at the brighter side of DDR, they would definately keep it. It amazes me by how idiotic and pessimist people can be.

Nothing is free of bad influences to children. Not even Six Flags itself. We all know DDR, like Six Flags, does more good than anything potentially bad. So what's the point of looking at the tiny negative point all the time?

[Dawgbowl]

Thanks for the input guys.

I got things straitened out for a temporary solution.

basically specific instructions when playing.

"hit left/right arrow once to access mix mode"
-In this mode dont choose any 1st mix songs

"if you hit the arrows again you are in alphabetical mode"
-Dont choose any L songs.

If the song doesn't show up on the screen...

she can't get mad... the only song we CANT play is lets get down...

but still...

checkmate.
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[Gendo3]

the Six Flags here has it...

[Tomo_kun]

Ok, because we all dont seem to have our locations written down, Why dont we name the park and where it is? Like, i read six flags, and i think of my local six flags (Great America in Illinois) and they have 2 Max 2's and one operational (Albiet horrifically bootleged) Extreme. Its just confusing.
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[Gendo3]

Six Flags over Texas

and there's such a thing as bootlegged DDR machines?

[Random.Hippie]

[Tomo_kun]

[Gendo3]

never seen 'em...

[Bliznab]

Dude, I can't believe parents are still anal about freaking worthless censorship.

Kids nowadays got filthy mouths. I know this. That parent ain't saving their kid from much by being anal and "copping out" by having DDR removed because they lack the moral reserve to teach their child the how and why of what a "B!tch" is and what the word "B!tch" stands for.

I have a problem when parents are too lazy to raise kids. If you screw up in raising them, you damn yourself and the rest of us to whatever wiles and destructions comes out of your loins.
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[Ace Of Hearts]

Why I Posted Here
I saw this and immediately decided I needed to make my biggest post ever. You'd best prepare yourself: when I say I'm gonna debate about something, I include a great amount of detail.

Introduction
I'm 21 years old myself. I used to be one of those kids who though they would never swear. Now I do use a swear word on ocassion for emphasis, but almost never just for fun. My exposure to profanity started many years ago when I was still rather young, and if I asked my parents a question about a word's definition, it was answered (though with appropriate dismay in some cases).

My Opinion On Dance Dance Revolution
DDR (as we call it) is a fun game (instead of boring like an exercise bike), and a good workout all in one. I find nothing to be more exihlirating than to get a AA on a song I just worked hard on. I meet lots of new friends, and have developed better leg muscles because of this game. It is a major part of my life and I think anyone who has played as long as I have (nearly a year) would agree.

My Opinion On The Controversy
I really do hate to use the "soccer mom" analogy for those parents who are far too overprotective of their children, but I know of no better term. Anyhow, I do agree with some amount of protection of children - from performing acts of violence or vulgarity, or from using swear words. Unfortunately, in the world we live in today, I feel it is absolutely impossible to protect our children from every single instance where a swear word or rude gesture is present. Thus, I really can't understand how these "soccer moms" still think that they're capable of the aforementioned. Certainly they can prevent their children from overexposure to such stimuli (don't take them to bars or strip clubs, that kind of thing), but again, it's just impossible to think you can protect your kids from everything at all times. Be reasonable: is your child listening to Britney Spears, with songs like "Slave 4 U?" Exactly.

My Suggestion
What I'd do? Put the darn machine up - exactly as it is, with no restrictions on which songs the players can play. There are hundreds of DDR locations across the US, and very few of them have ever had any person express any kind of problem whatsoever with any of the songs on the game.

Intensive Study
To be fair to those in the "prosecution," I did some studying to find as much as I possibly could wrong with our precious game. Here's a short summary of all the songs in DDR Extreme that I found could even possibly start a controversy. Most aren't really even worth considering, but I'll point out every little thing I found. (This section has been edited 4 times with corrections pointed out after the initial posting of this document.)

Songs That Actually Contain Swear Words (4)
This category probably counts against us the most.
1. Super Star & 2. Super Star (From Nonstop Megamix): "...Who gives a d*mn how you fall..."
3. Little B*tch. Not only is it in the title, it's mentioned (though only once) in the song itself: "I know, you know, you're just a little b*tch!"
4. Highs Off U (Scorccio XY Mix) actually contains the "F Word," but you must actually pay rather good attention to notice that the singer actually says "...f*ck you up..."

Songs With Outwardly Suggestive Lyrics But No Actual Swear Words (11)
Songs that don't have profanity, but are about "bad" things. Whether or not this counts against us depends who you ask.
1. Secret Rendezvous. It's about cheating on your lover.
2. Sexy Planet & 3. Sexy Planet (From Nonstop Megamix) contain sexual female moaning.
3. WWW.Blonde Girl. It's about cybersex.
4, 5, 6, 7, & 8: The Trip Machine series. Most of them have a female saying things like "Give it to me good."
9. Synchronized Love (Red Monster Hyper Mix). The subject of the song is sex (although it's more subtle than some of the others on this list).
10. After The Game Of Love. It's blatantly about sex.
11. Insertion. Like Sexy Planet, it has moaning. That, and the title is rather suggestive.

Harmless Or Misunderstood Songs(12)
These songs should not count against us, as I will dispel common myths here.
1. Little Boy (Boy On Boy Mix). This contains nothing offensive and is actually a typo. Captain Jack (the song's artist) had "Boy Oh Boy Mix" on his album, and Konami didn't get it right. Hurrah for overlooked errors.
2. I'm In The Mood For Dancing. There's a girl with a bikini on the background, but the song itself is about dancing.
3. Dam Dariram. The word is not d*mn, it's "dam." I'm unsure what it means, but it's not the swear word (it's even pronounced differently than the swear word). And if you listen to the chorus it's clear that's not the implication of the word ("Da-ri-ri-ram, da-ri-ram, da-ri-ram, da-ri-ra-ri-ra-ri-ram, da-ri-ra-ram, dam.")
4. Gentle Stress (AMD Sexual Mix). Aside from a misleading title, it contains absolutely nothing else of concern.
5. La Senorita & 6. La Senorita Virtual. The singer is indeed singing about "a hot one" (girl), but aside from that decidedly minor infraction, there's nothing else.
6. Luv To Me (AMD Mix) & 7. Luv To Me (Disco Mix). Again, the title makes it seem like it's a dirty song, but it's not.
7. Cutie Chaser & 8. Cutie Chaser (Morning Mix). Again, it's just a name. The song contains absolutely no lyrics at all. How can a song with no lyrics be suggestive?
9. Drop The Bomb & 10. Drop The Bomb (System SF Mix) do both refer to blowing things up, but the singer clearly states "...don't get me wrong, I'm a pacifist..."
11. Leading Cyber & 12. Gradiusic Cyber. These are not references to cybersex but rather songs from an old Konami shooting game called "Gradius."

Study Conclusion
This means that only a total of 15 songs could possibly count against us out of 240. Basic math dictates that 225/240 = .9375. A 93% success ratio (that would mean a AA for us in the success category, in DDR terms) is pretty good, considering some of the other stuff that pollutes the minds of youngsters nowadays.

Wrong Target
You shouldn't get angry about this anyway. I'm sure your arcade has at least one game that involves something much worse than the word "b*tch." House of the Dead involves blood and gore, shooting games involve, well, shooting, which some say promotes violence (don't get me started on my "Video Games Do Not Induce Violence" speech), most of today's racing games encourage players to destroy their competitors, and half the arcade visitors swear up a storm anyway. I'm sure there is a much worthier target for your child-protection tactics than a half-swear word that actually has a proper definition and has proper usage in the right sentences (regarding female dogs).

Conclusion
You can make efforts to protect your children from overinundation of inappropriate materials, but it is unreasonable to think that you can protect them from all of it all the time. It is even more unreasonable to deprive the local population of a game that can get so many "couch potatoes" in shape because one song out of 240 contains one swear word. There are a great many worse things to protect your child from, and more important things to do with your time. Thank you.
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[Gendo3]

wow...someone really did their homework...

BTW, you *can* keep your child from everything...homeschooling and no TV and living in the mountains where there are no outside influences...

[DJX]

[Tomo_kun]

Ace, sorry, but "1. Little Boy (Boy On Boy Mix). Though it contains nothing suggestive, the name of the song is somewhat disturbing to some. " was just a typo. Toshiba EMI has boy OH boy mix on there CD's (And so dose Captain Jack) but somehow it was mixed up by the time it reached Konami.

Secret Rendevous is about cheating on your lover, not about lesbianism. People say its about lesbians because of the background.
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[Ace Of Hearts]

Well I'll be darned. I edited my post 6 times already and still have mistakes.

*goes and makes some changes*

DJX: Post of the century? Pulitzer? It's nice to know somebody appreciates my opinion that much. lol

Gendo: Yeah, I actually went to the songlist and for all 240 songs I asked myself "If I just played this song for the first time, would I find anything wrong with it?" That's how I got that done (and it took about an hour and a half).

I just wanted to assure that my opinion was very clear, and that my "argument" was supported by facts. That's how it's supposed to work in a debate, yes?

Word of warning: if another serious debate comes up anywhere on these forums, you saw how long my post here was. If I show up, expect a novel.

Edit: When I go to the Laserdome today, I'm playing Little B*tch on Oni difficulty for my first song. Just for the heck of it. LOL!!!
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