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MyMilkshake
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1300.  Posted: Sun May 23, 2004 11:44 am Post subject: |
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does ne know where i can find a better bns mod... ive just attached sheet metal to the arrows... but id like it to b more responsive... thx
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HitokiriX
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| 1301. Posted: Sun May 23, 2004 12:42 pm Post subject: |
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| umm.....i do believe that ps2freak had said before that he'd found a good mod for increasing reactiveness of the pad. you add a plumbing foam thing to the bottom of the copper contact and it lessens the distance between the contacts. it does depend on which pad you use however because different pads have different widths between contacts. |
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vsamaco
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| 1302. Posted: Sun May 23, 2004 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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| MyMilkshake wrote: | | does ne know where i can find a better bns mod... ive just attached sheet metal to the arrows... but id like it to b more responsive... thx |
Any sort of material or thinner foam that will give the right sensitivity but not ghost steps. I'd guess you can search out some foam at a craft or hardware store. Or you can refer to homebuilt pad topic and see what and how they spaced the panel from the base. |
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vsamaco
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| 1303. Posted: Sun May 23, 2004 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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Too much free time  Old helpful info and posts.
Making your own replacement arrow and foam spacers for CypherGame pad v1.0 here.
Additional information about cyphergames mod by ps2freak:
| ps2freak wrote: |
Well, plexiglass is a kind of acrylic (a brandname, like Jell-o, or Kleenex), so it's really both. Ask for either, and you'll get the right stuff. To cut it, my friend's dad is a carpenter, and used his router, I believe, with a jig piece (I don't know if that's the technical name, check the My Home Built DDR Pad thread for more info on that.
The foam on my pads isn't connected, in any way, to the foam. Instead, the graphic is put on the sticky side of the foam graphic-side up, and then I use the same adhesive spray DDRhomepad uses on his pads.
The wires running to the graphic are for the lights. You can rip it out, or you can save it if you can't live without lights.
Hope this helps,
PS2Freak |
Here's a version of his mod for a CG v2.0:
| Syxx wrote: | Here is the simplified and hopefully easy to understand instructions for making ps2freak's mod on a v2 pad.
Step 1 : Go to Home Depot. Purchase ONE roll of 30 foot by 2 inch by 1/8th inch insulation tape and one roll of foil tape. Both of these are in the plumbing section. The foil tape should be by the duct tape. Go to the glass and acrylic section. There will be all different sizes of acrylic and glass. I bought TWO the 12 inch by 24 inch by .093 inch sheets of the .high impact acrylic. All of this costs about 20 dollars.
Step 2 : Go Home.  Unscrew and take the four arrow pannels out. Don't play with the sensors underneath. Don't play with the wires. I know it looks tempting BUT DON'T TOUCH THEM unless you know what you're doing. Take the outer wrapping off of the acrylic. Put the pannel on top of one side of the acrylic and draw around it using a magic marker. Repeat for the other side. Then repeat for the other piece. Now, using a saw cut out the design that you just traced. Try putting the arrows you just cut out into your pad to make sure that they fit.
Step 3 : Print out your arrow design. You can find these in the other metal pad discussion : http://www.ddrfreak.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=59254 Attach the picture onto the bottom of each arrow. I didn't do this step yet because I'm lazy
Step 4 : Cut out strips of the insulation that are long enough to fit underneath the arrows.
Step 5 : Put 2 strips of the foil tape about 6 inches long along the bottom of the panel over the insulation tape so that it will touch the contact on the metal pad.
Step 6 : Put 4 pannels back in. Don't screw them in. Test it in a song on light or standard that you KNOW you can do really well in PA. If you are getting a lot of perfects, congratuations... You can screw the arrows in and you're done. If you are getting shadow steps or what not, try moving the foil tape so it is not making constant contact with the sensor. I had to do this with my left arrow, because the sensor was not centered.
Step 7 : Play DDR for like 12 hours in a row because PLAYING ON ONE OF THESE IS AWESOME.
Enjoy.
Let me know if you have any questions. |
Removing rubber feet and mounting a CG pad:
| ps2freak wrote: | Yes, I removed the stoppers, they morph the metal.
Mounting to Plywood: To mount your pads, what I did is get some 3/4 inch pressboard (plywood will work as well), that is long and wide enough for both pads to fit on. I then put a piece of pine (any other wood would do here as well) roughly 2 inches wide, wrapped some sheet metal around it (optional, but is more realistic), and put it directly down the middle of the pressboard, and srilled it in using 1 1/4" screws. This piece of wood will be used to keep the 2 pads about 2 inches apart (they aren't right next to eachother in the arcades). Then, I placed the pads on the board where I wanted them to be drilled in. After that, I took out each of the corner bolts, and replace them with 1 1/4" screws. Then, you can cut the pressboard down so that it's lined up along the edges with the pads, but I didn't (so I could put backbars behind )
PS2Freak |
Ter's sheet metal mod here.
Another mod for contact system of a MMB here.
A picture of an inside of an RO pad here.
A post with pictures and review of an "actual" BNS pad here.
Hitoriki here a post about ongoing lifespan of CF. Prob more info on CF forums.
| CourtJester wrote: | | I have my fluxes for 7 months now...work as good as the day they arrived |
RO Clone pad confirmation:
| Cutriss wrote: | | LinuxRacr wrote: | | Cutriss wrote: | Okay - I think it's been said that the pads these guys sell are RO knockoffs, right?
So, they already have control boxes out for their metal pads which appear to have an identical (DB-15) interface to the RO pads. PLUS...they have an Xbox MC slot in them, which, AFAIK, the RO control box won't have.
So, anyone have one of these yet that can give me more information? |
Hmm...That looks EXACTLY like the one I ordered. I ordered the 8 arrow version. The control box looks exactly the same. I have played on these pads, and after a few weeks of HEAVY use, you will have to mod them. The arrows look to be lexan, as the show no signs of cracking at all. I weigh over 200 lbs, and have pounded the hell out of it. No cracks. |
Well, I got it in today...and I guess this should answer all the questions anyone has had about it:
It *IS* the RedOctane control box. Complete with the logo.
So, let's get this straight. It was *cheaper* to buy from a Canadian importer who imported the box (or had the manufacturer build extra for them) and then export it again.
At any rate, I doubt RedOctane will be happy to hear about this. Using knockoff products is one thing...Using your company's logo on it is something entirely different. |
Riptides homemade metal pad here. Help you understand or fix a bought metal pad. |
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voldekillssnape
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| 1304. Posted: Sun May 23, 2004 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry If I missed this being discussed
Do the RO metal pads need to be modded once u get them? |
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vsamaco
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| 1305. Posted: Sun May 23, 2004 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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| DDR2k3 wrote: | Sorry If I missed this being discussed
Do the RO metal pads need to be modded once u get them? |
Any metal pad other than a CF will need to be modded. |
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vsamaco
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| 1306. Posted: Sun May 23, 2004 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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| loafy777 wrote: | Hey guys, I've had said pad for quite a while. Story is, 6 days after receiving it and using it... the thing broke on me. I was pissed off to the point where I shoved it under a bed and forgot about it until a few days ago.
The problem is, the down arrow is continuously pressed (stuck on). I have taken the arrow off, looked at the sensor (well the board with the solder mask connections), I tried re-soldering just about every wire on the control board as well as the wires on the sensor. It remains stuck even if I desolder the wires coming from the down arrow sensor. I thought that maybe the wire coming into the pad was cut somewhere causing a wire to ground out (the hole for the wires is very small which caused the rubber coating to be cut up) but that led nowhere as well.
I'm at a loss as to where the problem could be. I bought a psx controller that I will solder on in place of the control board if it comes down to it, but I wanted to ensure that there's nothing else to try first.
Can take pics if need be... lemme know what you wanna see and I'll snap the shots.
Thanks in advance |
Maybe this?
| ps2freak wrote: | | blinkmancurt wrote: | | I'm back, and I'm having problems with my v2. AGAIN. I just replaced the arrows with lexan, and for some reason, my up button is continually being hit. I opened the pad up and looked around. It wasn't the copper contact, so I have no clue what it was. It would go off without the arrow being screwed on.. Any help/advice/identification of the problem would be very helpful. Thanks. |
Hey, if you did my mod, chances are that the foil tape is making constant contact with the copper constact point. Basically, what I did is run 2 more pieces of foam tape along side the copper contact, that way there is absolutely no way for there to be constant contact (thus eliminating ghost steps, no steps, etc.)
PS2Freak |
I'm kinda skeptical if this would resolve your problem because you state that desoldered the wires on the senor. See if the above suggestion helps. |
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xphoguytonyx
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| 1307. Posted: Sun May 23, 2004 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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| man, i found a metal pad for xbox . i lost the site . anyone know the name of that one site, whom sells metal pad for xbox? |
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vsamaco
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| 1308. Posted: Sun May 23, 2004 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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| xphoguytonyx wrote: | | man, i found a metal pad for xbox . i lost the site . anyone know the name of that one site, whom sells metal pad for xbox? |
RedOctane metal pad supports both ps2 and xbox and is probably your best choice. Or you can get a ps2 metal pad and get an adapter. But if you use an adapter and try to play on xbox live, its registers as a controller or something. |
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vsamaco
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| 1309. Posted: Sun May 23, 2004 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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| T-Bone. wrote: | | ive been thinking about buying a red octane metal pad and we n iwas looking at the pictures they look like a cypher games pad sort of and i know soemone who has one and its acting up on him..is red octane a good durable metal pad or is it no good or wat?!?!?!!?! |
RO and CypherGames pads are not the same. CG pads lack polycarbon arrows and its craftsmanship isn't very good. If you are looking for a the most reliable pad for your buck and cannot afford a CF, RO is the way to go. RO has a 60 days warranty if any problems arise. If you mod the pad before you play and maintain it (cleaning contacts), the pads should last you several months. Is the person you know taking care of the pads? or is he playing the pad just is? Although their metal, they are no where as durable as the arcade and need to be reguarly maintained. |
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loafy777
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| 1310. Posted: Sun May 23, 2004 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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vsamaco: I appreciate the move to the proper thread and the suggestion. As you assumed, that would not be the culprit in my case as there is a constant connection even with the wires desoldered from the control board.
I'm truly stumped as to where to turn next. |
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vsamaco
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| 1311. Posted: Mon May 24, 2004 3:58 am Post subject: |
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| loafy777 wrote: | vsamaco: I appreciate the move to the proper thread and the suggestion. As you assumed, that would not be the culprit in my case as there is a constant connection even with the wires desoldered from the control board.
I'm truly stumped as to where to turn next. |
Maybe its the control box? If it isn't, there must be some internal wires that are constantly being crossed within the pad. Is there a way you can get a hold of another control box to test to see if that'll help? This happened after a while and not when you got it right? |
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loafy777
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| 1312. Posted: Mon May 24, 2004 5:16 am Post subject: |
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As I said in my original post, it happened after 6 days of use. The cost to ship it there and back would have been more than just buying a new pad so I didn't bother pursuing it.
Anyhow, my objective here is to find out if there is anything else to check NOW before I swap out the main board for one out of a psx controller. |
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vsamaco
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| 1313. Posted: Mon May 24, 2004 5:50 am Post subject: |
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| loafy777 wrote: | As I said in my original post, it happened after 6 days of use. The cost to ship it there and back would have been more than just buying a new pad so I didn't bother pursuing it.
Anyhow, my objective here is to find out if there is anything else to check NOW before I swap out the main board for one out of a psx controller. |
Does the pad have a control box or some sort of removable unit?
Is the pad still under warranty? I'd call them first to see if they can help. Do the other arrows work or is the down arrow the only one that registers constantly? What happens if you disconnect the down arrow wire from the control box or board? If there is no warranty or they can't offer a solution, try your swapping idea.
I found an older post with a similar problem
| fr0zenxer0 wrote: | | Yes i did. The current state my pad is in is that i seperated the wire from the sensor. WHat really confuses me is that how come the pad is reacting even though there IS no sensor, and why does it go crazy during song select and others and it doesnt go berserk during game or during difficulty select. I'm thinking of disconnecting the left arrow wires from the mother board and seeing if thats the problem. I think it may be the mother board though. I personally dont know whats going on, i'm just hoping someone does becuase i spent 120 on it and like 50-60 to mod it using ps2freaks mod. If i knew this was going to happen i would have got CF. Ps2freaks mod seemed good though. Anyway, Please help me out here. THanks |
Going through pages 21-29 of this topic, I've seen 3 people complain about their CG pad having stuck arrows, but have yet to find a fix for it yet...
Here is another post about a CG pad and stuck arrow:
| Sikosmurf wrote: | | I have a cypher games pad. Recently it's been acting up. Whenever i hit the up it registers as hitting both the up and left It's definitely somewhere in the wiring cause i snipped the wires then rubbed them together to make sure it wasnt vibration connecting the left connectors to connect as well. I also have the right arrow permanently down. I fixed the right arrow by moving the connector from the upper right down to the right. Then i just taped up the ends of the former right arrow and left them dangle. That worked for that one. I could do it for the up arrow, but then i wouldnt have any start button i could hit while on the pad, which would get annoying fast. I just want to know if there's anyway to fix this double arrow hitting. |
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voldekillssnape
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| 1314. Posted: Mon May 24, 2004 6:20 am Post subject: |
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Well I guessI can just save up more money for the CF.
This might take a while but its for the best... right 
Oh well |
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HitokiriX
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| 1315. Posted: Mon May 24, 2004 11:32 am Post subject: |
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| DDR2k3 wrote: | Well I guessI can just save up more money for the CF.
This might take a while but its for the best... right
Oh well |
a good idea in my opinion would be to buy a DX soft pad. its 50 dollars from buynshop.com and then you could start saving for a CF while playin DDR. All DX soft pads are good.....for soft pads that is |
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voldekillssnape
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| 1316. Posted: Tue May 25, 2004 7:04 am Post subject: |
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Konami Ultramix Soft Pad
DPR2
Red Octane soft pad
Intec
These are the soft pads I have
Dude I'm done with soft pads
I'm ready for the metal
I just want to make sure I get the right one and the CF has a damn good lead right now against the RO. |
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rabidmoth
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| 1317. Posted: Tue May 25, 2004 7:58 am Post subject: |
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i will be recieving my Red Octane in the mail any day now. what mods should i plan on making? as of now i plan on covering the foil underneath the arrows with 30 gauge sheet metal, anything else i should plan on doing? thanks.
-rabidmoth |
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vsamaco
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| 1318. Posted: Tue May 25, 2004 9:19 am Post subject: |
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| DDR2k3 wrote: | Konami Ultramix Soft Pad
DPR2
Red Octane soft pad
Intec
These are the soft pads I have
Dude I'm done with soft pads
I'm ready for the metal
I just want to make sure I get the right one and the CF has a damn good lead right now against the RO. |
You have yet to get and break an Ignition pad? It could of lasted through atleast two of those soft pads (unless the RO was an ignition).
Ok, if you want a pad with no hassles, play DDR alot, and have the money, go with a CF. Now if you can settle for less because you don't have a lot of money, or if you do but don't play DDR as much to really use it for whats its worth, go with an RO. If you do go with an RO or any other metal pad below a CF, except to do some work on it. RO metal pad are very respectable compared to other metal pads, but is still prone to have problems. CF are great and all, but aren't worth the investment if you only plan for light to moderate use. An RO would work fine for that type of use. So evaluate your situation before you make your decision.
| rabidmoth wrote: | | i will be recieving my Red Octane in the mail any day now. what mods should i plan on making? as of now i plan on covering the foil underneath the arrows with 30 gauge sheet metal, anything else i should plan on doing? thanks. |
Thats the only mod I did for my pad before I started playing. The rest of the mods are either for changing sensitivity or repair jobs. I posted some mods/info about 1/4 down of this page(66). Every once in a while, clean the contacts and take note of any internal damage. Other than that, your pretty much set. |
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voldekillssnape
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| 1319. Posted: Wed May 26, 2004 6:26 am Post subject: |
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I play everyday s I gues the CF is the best choice.
To clear thatup I have an Ignition 2.0 and I've had it for 5 months. No problems! |
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