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0. PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 7:30 am    Post subject: Does anyone agree with me that... Reply with quote

Beatmania songs that become DDR songs lessen in quality. When I say quality I mean how the song sounds musically and how fun it is to play the song. Anyone who knows Spin the Disc on IIDX without auto-scratch or Sakura or Stoic on IIDX would know what I mean. And also when DDR songs that were originally Beatmania songs get shortened and seem as if they were butchered when compared to their original mixes. Examples; Burning Heat(FULL option)not 3rd Option, V, and Stoic. Or should this thread go to another forum, cuz i didn't really know whether to put this in "Chit-Chat" or "Other Bemani" cuz it kinda affects both.
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1. PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 7:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How do you mean 'lose their quality'? Do you mean the play chart or the audio quality of the song?
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2. PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 8:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

im guessing audio quality???

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3. PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 8:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Audio qulity, meaning how the songs just sounds musically better as a song.
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4. PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 10:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i haven't noticed.
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5. PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will agree and here's why:
It's a proven fact that when DDR mixes are created the audio files are compressed to a point where the quality suffers. There are 248 songs on Extreme, plus videos and programming crammed onto ONE 700MB CD. Consider that in order to fit all those songs, the audio for them must be compressed DRASTICALLY, and by doing that you lose detail that you MUST hear in IIDX because you're actually playing those notes/sounds. Also, the quality of the sound card and speakers that are found on most DDR machines (considering the age of the average DDR cabinet) also isn't the best. All of those factors put together will seriously comprimise the quality of the music you're listening to. Good example: Listen to the MP3 of L'amour et la Liberte' away from DDR (mp3 player, cd player, whatever, as long as you've got decent speakers/headphones) then listen to it on the machine. Do the same with The Least 100 Seconds and even Maxx Unlimited (or maybe PSM). You will notice certain aspects of the songs that you can't hear on the machine unless you REALLY listen for it. Machine volume is another factor here as well. If you're playing on a quiet machine, then you definitely won't hear parts of the song that you can hear if the machine is loud. I'm fortunate enough to play in a place with a very loud machine so I can hear the songs just fine.
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6. PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 10:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

oh well yeah, the machine is compressed a lot. i thought he was talking about the editing from the beatmania versions to make them ddr-friendly.
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7. PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was actually talking about the editing, but Maxx Paranoia did point that out and sound quality out of the DDR machine isn't something I thought about until now and that's just another reason why IIDX music sounds better. and I thought the videos and mp3's were all burned on DVD that runs on a DVD rom inside the DDR machine.
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8. PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 1:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You know... if you are unable to accept the act that there is not enough space... here's another option...

How would you like to dance to a 3:11 timed max road. Lets call it Road to Groin-pain.

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Well apart from the length and the compression space you have to accept the fact that you would either be sacrificing the songs you play by putting longer songs. if the songs were long, there would be less stages and if they made more minutes and left all 3 stages youd really have to be making people inpacient. well... i'll be goin.
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9. PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course, when you have to remove some parts of a song to fit the time constraints of DDR, you lose some quality. Isn't that a given? I mean, unless there's a song where taking something out makes it better, of course Beatmania songs lose quality when cut.

The really big question is... would you rather not have those songs in DDR at all? Even if they aren't as good as they used to be, are they still good? I'd say that, despite the sacrifices that must be made, these songs are still awesome and fun, and they should definitely belong in DDR.
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10. PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The songs sound the same, except for being about 20 seconds shorter. There's hardly a difference at all. Anyone with general Bemani knowledge knows this.
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