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IIDX vs. Pop'n Music : which is better at home?
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0. PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2004 5:52 pm    Post subject: IIDX vs. Pop'n Music : which is better at home? Reply with quote

Okay, so I have the money to buy a game and a controller and I already have DDR so I am wondering whether I want IIDX or Pop'n. I have played IIDX and it is a lot of fun and I am really bad at it. Pop'n music is a little more fun I think but I will never get to play it in the arcade. IIDX is a little more of a challenge because I already have the hang of Pop'n sort of. O figure if I get Pop'n music I would get the small konami controller and pop'n 9, and if I got IIDX i would get the konami one along wiht probably 5th or 6th style. Please help because I am not very good at making descisions. I don't want this to be a flame war against which game is better, but I just want to know which gives a better home experience. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. thanks
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1. PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2004 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have more fun playing Pop N' Music at home, mainly because to me, it's a better game, has better features and extras. It's easier to get into also.

And the home versions of Pop N' have much more songs. Pop N' Music 8 and 9 have over 100 songs each, while IIDX 5th and 6th style have slightly over 60 songs in both.

And Battle Mode in Pop N' Music is lots of fun.

Maybe others can give better opinions.
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2. PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2004 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Although I've not played Pop'n much (only on a mate's mini official controller) I way prefer IIDX, the controller feels a lot nicer and there just seems to be a lot more to it. It helps if you've got people to compete against though (<3 vjarmy) apparently pop'n has a pretty big perfect window so scoring isn't that competitive?
Also - I think that IIDX has the better music of the two.
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3. PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2004 10:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My opinion is that IIDX is better then pop'n by alot because IIDX has alot of the familiar DDR songs that I want to learn to play. I just like to play these games to play ddr songs that I'm familiar with so thats why I'd go with IIDX
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4. PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2004 1:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even though In the end I will own both games, I think I am going to purchase IIDX first, thank you for your opinions...
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5. PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2004 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pop'n Music. The CS versions are being pumped out consistently and there are incredibly few machines here in the U.S.

However, IIDX is more popular over here and is more often than not the favored game to people who play DDR.
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6. PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2004 2:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pop'n Music, definitely. The song lists are much bigger (starting with PNM 6), and there's much more variety in the music. IIDX seems to get a lot of trance, techno, and hip hop. Snore.
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7. PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2004 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

okay, so know I am confused again, thank you people for swaying my opinions. Now I have another question, which one poses a greater challenge? I have seen videos of both games and while pop'n music ive me migranes watching the darn thing, I barely understand IIDX, which game will give me the longer playing time? thanks...
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8. PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2004 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

IIDX songs are better if you plan to actually gets the CDs and arent that much different from music you hear on the radio. Plus the game is very competitive.

In the fun category however, Pop'n easily wins. There so much variety in the music. It goes all over the spectrum so it never gets bored. Plus theres just some kind of enjoyment of taking both your arms and moving them around as fast as you can. Ive never played on the small controller (Went from Popn 10 straight to Popn 8 CS). It doesnt seem like it would be anywhere near as much fun on the small controller. If you get the IIDX controller, get the Popn 8 or 9 game and play some 5 key on that. If you enjoy it go for a Ransai, Desktop Arcade, or ASC.

EDIT: just saw your reply. IIDX and Popn 9 will both give you a great challenge, but Popn is alot easier to get started with than IIDX.
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9. PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2004 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Larrikin wrote:
It doesnt seem like it would be anywhere near as much fun on the small controller. If you get the IIDX controller, get the Popn 8 or 9 game and play some 5 key on that. If you enjoy it go for a Ransai, Desktop Arcade, or ASC.


I've got a tiny little homemade controller, and it's perfectly fine. And yes, I've played on an arcade machine too.
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10. PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2004 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay, I know this shouldn't be a big deal but I just want to make sure that I am happy with what I get. It would go like this....

IIDX controller ($100 ~ 110?)
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5 or 6th Style (70?)

OR

Pop'n music 9(70)
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Home built popn controller (built my DDR pad, I can build this)(100?)

Here's my problem, I don't really know what I want out of either game. I figure if I learn how to get good at IIDX I can go play at the arcade, but Pop'n is just such a happy game. If I did get beatmania I could build my pop'n controller while I practiced IIDX. Or I could play 5 button Pop'n on the IIDX controller. I realized through this thread that I suck at making decisions and I might just have to buy a controller for one game and the game of the other so I can't play anything....oh wait thats a stupid Idea... I hope I can't get more than 4 pop'n fan opinions and 4 IIDX opinions... Sorry for being a buggard
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11. PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2004 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pop'n Music is the easy choice.

For me, IIDX wasnt a winner for me until about 7-8th style. And even still, there just isnt enough variety in its songlist. I like them both but if I had to choose (and I did, actually), it would be Pop'n Music hands down. And its fun with small controller or the large one so dont let that bother you.
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12. PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2004 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heck, my controller that I built cost about $40, tops. And it's REALLY sturdy.

Buttons from Happ Controls $1.85 x 9 = $16.65
Radio Shack Plastic Enclosure ~$8
Mad Catz Digital PSX Controller ~$5
Assorted wiring supplies ~$5

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13. PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2004 4:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you contact Ransai or DA, they might be able to give you a deal on the real buttons insteads of those weird flat ones.
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14. PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2004 6:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

About difficulty:

Pop'n Music is perfect.

While it gets much harder than IIDX (imo. Although see for yourself with some of the 40+ EXs), it actually gives n00bs a chance to get started, unlike IIDX which basically just hurls people into songs they can't read at first.
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15. PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2004 12:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So what's IIDX's Beginners Mode then?

I also don't fully buy Pop'n being more difficult. I'd think 14 keys and 2 turntables presents more of a challenge than 9 keys, especially considering all Anothers. *shrugs* that's just me.

Pop'n love is frightening.
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16. PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2004 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think most people completely disregard IIDX Doubles when talking about difficulty, as very few people play doubles. And 14 Another songs can be the hardest things ever. Pop'n Music and 7-Key are pretty close to each other in difficulty.

I don't think IIDX's beginner mode is all that great. The hardest thing for me to learn were the L-7 songs around 2-5 stars, and Beginner Mode didn't help me at all for that.
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17. PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2004 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dog$ wrote:
So what's IIDX's Beginners Mode then?


Something that does almost nothing about getting you ready for L7 and above. The difference in difficulty between begginer and L7 is pretty damn vast. IIDX is one of the worst Bemani when it comes to gradually letting you progress in difficulty. Songs go from easy breeze to hells valley in the snap of a finger.

Sure, there's 14 keys, but as Kami said, no one really counts that because not many play it at all. But when comparing single-controller difficulty, Pop'n promotes a much better experience for both the super-n00bs and the experienced vets, alike.
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18. PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2004 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So... when enough people ignore something, it becomes invalid for comparison.

OK. Lesson learned.
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19. PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2004 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dog$ wrote:
So... when enough people ignore something, it becomes invalid for comparison.

OK. Lesson learned.


No, you're not understanding. When people compare difficulty, they usually just compare single player/controller difficulty because most people only have one controller. It's not really fair to compare double-controller IIDX to single-controller Pop'n because Pop'n doesn't have a doubles mode. So comparing single-controller to single-controller is only logical. Doubles in Pop'n would just be insane. Although not impossible since it would be similar to Keyboardmania, only with your arms.
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