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Romulus141
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380.  Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2003 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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I don't know if anyone can really answer this question, but I'm going to ask it anyway.
I'm trying to figure out Xenon on 1.0x. At this point I'm just trying to figure out the step rhythms, so I'm using Stepmania with judge difficultly set to 6 in order to go through this process. I've tried using the Assist Tick, but even when I feel like I'm hitting the buttons in sync with the clapping, it doesn't always register as a Perfect or Great.
This song is really hard to PA, even with speed mods. I know what part of the music the arrows are following, but it isn't helping me in PA'ing the song. Any advice at all?
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| 381. Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2003 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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Xenon is very weird..when I first played it I had it at around 80 greats 
Some parts go with the music.. and some parts..don't, well at least to me.
You can try to sight read, disregard the song for a few seconds on the 16th notes, and just concentrate on arrows and sort of.. block out the song? I've tried this and it drastically improved my PA. I got Xenon down to 40ish greats, and once down into the high 20's. And I'm still working on it. This also works for me on Witch Doctor and the sorts of songs with a decent amount of chaos in them. |
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AuntPotato
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| 382. Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 11:01 am Post subject: |
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| Romulus141 wrote: | I don't know if anyone can really answer this question, but I'm going to ask it anyway.
I'm trying to figure out Xenon on 1.0x......... Any advice at all? |
Play it on Stepmania/DWI then try it with 2x Mod. I played it a bunch of times in a row and found that I improved almost every time. I'm down to high 30s for greats at my best. I'd say really listen to the song too. Also, I step a little earlier on the random parts in between the fast set of three notes, just to make sure I don't hit late and get a good. I found that gave me more perfects too. Other than that I dunno. That song's a toughie and random, but I <3 IT!!!! 
Once you get the beat and really understand the song drop it down to 1x. Anyway, yep, that's what I've done on it. |
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MaNiAcR
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| 383. Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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ok uhh i have a problem. im pretty good at maniac songs. i can beet almost all of them except max unlimited and so deep on heavy. can anyone give me a couple pointers on how i can beat those 2 songs cause those are the only one's that i cant beat. on so deep the steps are just to hard. i know the steps for the first have of so deep but then its all down hill. for max unlimited i cant even go threw the first 15 seconds of the song. i go to the arcade every weekend and i still cant beat them.help me   |
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Zeotti
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| 384. Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2003 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | okay, so those aren't good "examples" of how to train. but they are logical. the harder you work yourself out, the longer it takes to regain your strength. therefore, the harder you strain your muscles, the longer it will take you to regain full strength. |
Umm, goto 5 hour practices during 2 a days in football in 95 degree weather, with games on the weekends, weight room on sunday, and 3 hour practices for the rest of the weeks. That including a 3 hour conditioning camp every day during the summer including speed and agility, DDR, and 2 mile runs every night and TELL ME I don't regain my strength.
I gained 25 pounds in muscle alone and shaved off 2 seconds in my 40m sprint. Don't think the body doesn't recooperate with something simple as standing in the same spot and rotating your hips. If you don't, you need to learn how to eat meat.
| Quote: | | lets just say you do decide to burn yourself out on a sunday. from monday to saturday, you're goin to be resting in bed or sitting most of the time. or lets just say you have a little more stamina than that. on monday, you can play 5 songs, tuesday 4, wednesday 2 1/2 (failed), thursday friday and saturday none because u twisted your ankle or are just too effing tired. |
Wait, what the frick are you talking about. Only an extremely obese, out of shape 500 pounder would be THAT tired after playing for one day. If you're playing 5 songs a day and actually get worn out, then you need to go get in shape. And how often do you twist your ankle anyways? I can bet that you play DDR 1-2 hours out of the day and you sit down the rest of the time. I severely doubt you're "effing tired".
| Quote: | | case in point, the more you play, the more chances you have on injuring yourself. the more you injure yourself the more you rest. either way, whether you injure yourself or not, the more time you use to rest during the week will in turn become time you use to let your muscles become weaker. don't waste one day on a handfull of A's, C's and D's. just try to get 2 B's a day, then STOP. believe it or not, i tried the burnout method and it don't do squat. i tried just doin 2 or 3 songs every 2 days. two weeks of that training, and i passed max 300 as my last song with a B. thats right, my LAST song. the one where the judge shows you no mercy for error. |
Yeah, the more you play the more chances you have in injuring yourself. I agree, if you didn't play football you wouldn't get hurt. If you didn't walk, you wouldn't twist an ankle. If you didn't run, your muscles might not hurt. You get the picture. Either you do it or you become lazy like most people in the US have decided to do. If you do happen to injure yourself, do realize that you have a HUMAN body. If you injure yourself or become worn out, your body will anabolize the muscle and rebuild it. And if you know anything about weightlifting, you tear microscopic tissue in the muscle and it grows back more than twice the size hence growing the muscle.
Basically all you need to do is play as much as you want and obviously try not to pull a tendon or hurt your ankle or what not. Either way, your body's gonna recooperate quite fast. If you don't, you either need to
1. Get conditioned. Meaning run like another person is doing.
2. STRETCH before you play, I guarantee you if you do this you won't be seeing yourself pooped out after you play
3. Drink water. The most important thing in your body besides blood. You need water otherwise you'll get notorious leg cramps, and/or heat exhaustion. If you don't that's probably why you're seeing those leg cramps.
4. Eat enough protein. I'm not talkin about a double cheeseburger here. I'm talkin low fat high quality protein. Meaning lean chicken breasts, beef, cheese, and my favorite - Whey Protein Shakes (highest quality protein there is, absorbs quickly and unaltered unlike Soy and Meat Protein). Even a couple cans of tuna will do the job. Try 1 to 1.5g of protein PER POUND OF BODY WEIGHT. If you play DDR alot, that's what you'll need if you want to see improvements.
I guarantee you, if you actually work out, play DDR, run, eat NUTRITIOUS foods, lay off the complex carbs/fats, you WILL lose fat, gain muscle, gain speed/agility, and oh yes, play DDR better.
Oh, and please don't try to scold people after you got your sources of information from your faulty logic and a cartoon. |
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JohnWayne2k4
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| 385. Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2003 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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I agree what were you thinking taking a weight lifting / ddr regimine and comparing it with a cartoon.  It's complete nonsense if you knew anything about weight lifting the more you do it the more your muscle tissue builds therefore the faster you improve, given the fact you must consume a minimum of half your weight in grams of protein a day to build muscle and improve stamina.
Also on the subject of playing ddr all day until you burn out is bull... Take an example of runners there are 2 types sprinters and long distance runners long distace runners run for long periods of time and burn (heres the key term) ENERGY, while sprinters run short periods of time but burn the same amount of energy because they run at different intensities, you choose what kind of player you want to be a quick but easily tired player or a balanced steady player that can play hard songs but not all the time at a constant.
The key to improving is to push your personal limits every day to a resonable extent, this will shock your muscles into developing faster giving you more stamina to go harder and longer on faster more difficult songs.
To sum things up, don't be stupid and strain yourself to the point of personal injury but do push your limits (assuming you know your limits).
With mediocre eating habits and replacing soda with water you will easily gain a ton of energy you never had before. |
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Goggles
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| 386. Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2003 1:50 am Post subject: |
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Stamina is a very important aspect of playing Maniac songs. Saving that staming is even more important if you want to clear such songs with fairly decent scoring. Wanna save stamina? Well, 99% of new players make an excessive use of their upper body when playing. Think back to it: don't you remember how sweaty and tired you used to get while playing on Basic? It's because of two things: One, you are tearing new muscles in your legs, and two, you may have been using your upper body like a flail. If Basic didn't tire you out as much, then you figured it out early: the best way to save stamina is to remain relaxed! Before you pick a song, shake yourself out a little. Get yourself into that mindset: Play smart. Don't just pick random songs or the same songs every weekend. Be diverse. Be focused. Find songs that you are weak on. After playing so much 6th and 7th mix, once 8th mix came along, I found that I was pretty weak on Gradiusic Cyber. So I made it a point to play it two to four times throughout my DDR sets. Focus on hard parts that keep messing you up. These things are only 1:30 long on average, so it's quite easy to make a quick mental note of where you are struggling. It's also just as easy to forget to take that note in the first place. (DDR is just THAT fun!) So tell yourself ahead of time! Man, I suck at Xenon! I'm gonna play the poopy out of it until I get that one part! And if you remind yourself BEFORE you play the song, you increase your chances of actually fixing your problem and getting a really tight score on a song you've been working your buttocks on.
In regards to Xenon:
As a musician, it always amazes me when I see non-musicians play these games. It's just more proof that music is a natural part of life as it is entertainment.
The thing is, though, is that when a song like Xenon or Rain of Sorrow hits, it hits the non-musician crowd hardest because it has slightly more complex rhythms than the famous, da-da-da...da-da-da...da-da-da-da-da-da-da, that all we heavy players see in nearly every song.
My point: Listen to the song. For Xenon, if you listen very hard, you'll find that the arrows go with the song the whole way until just AFTER the freeze arrow section, and then when the melody comes back in, it's pretty much laid out for you until the end runs. I recommend listening to the MP3 on some good headphones or a loud set of speakers so that you can really dig into the song. Listen for rhythmic ideas that you have seen when you are playing the game. Visualize the arrows going by, if you can, or just read along on a step chart. Using a simulator like DWI or Stepmania can help too. If you are going that direction, turn the speed of the song all the way down. When playing a song at 1/5 speed, you really have a chance to line up your rhythms perfectly. That's my last resort. If I can't get a song, slow the damned thing down. Assist ticks help, too. Just listen VERY carefully!
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Goggles
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| 387. Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2003 1:52 am Post subject: |
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And look for hints in the step pattern! Sometimes Konami phrases the arrows to follow the melodies and such, and sometimes you may find clues in the freeze arrows!
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Romulus141
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| 388. Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2003 8:37 am Post subject: |
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| Goggles [Sync] wrote: | The thing is, though, is that when a song like Xenon or Rain of Sorrow hits, it hits the non-musician crowd hardest because it has slightly more complex rhythms than the famous, da-da-da...da-da-da...da-da-da-da-da-da-da, that all we heavy players see in nearly every song.
My point: Listen to the song. For Xenon, if you listen very hard, you'll find that the arrows go with the song the whole way until just AFTER the freeze arrow section, and then when the melody comes back in, it's pretty much laid out for you until the end runs. I recommend listening to the MP3 on some good headphones or a loud set of speakers so that you can really dig into the song. Listen for rhythmic ideas that you have seen when you are playing the game. Visualize the arrows going by, if you can, or just read along on a step chart. Using a simulator like DWI or Stepmania can help too. If you are going that direction, turn the speed of the song all the way down. When playing a song at 1/5 speed, you really have a chance to line up your rhythms perfectly. That's my last resort. If I can't get a song, slow the damned thing down. Assist ticks help, too. Just listen VERY carefully! |
Yeah, I understand what the arrows are actually going with in the song, its just then when I step to what I hear in the song, I still get goods, which is why it feels like something is "wrong."
I consider myself a musician btw. I've been playing the trumpet for 9 years and although I'm not majoring in music or anything, I have been reading up on music theory, and I hang out with a lot of people who are music majors at my college, so I'd say I have a good enough grasp on music. I'm not saying this to come across as an asshole or anything, just letting you know that I'm not musically illiterate. When trying to figure out Xenon it just felt like the arrows were a little "off," and that's why I posted in this thread.
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Sah-K a.k.a Fuji
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| 389. Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2003 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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Sup fellas  Just got a quick question you guyz.
You think playing ALL the songs(maniac) improves your skills? cause its like many of them songs are like pretty similair(yeah I know I'm pointing the obvious... duh  ) or some songs are just plain stupid such as Butterfly!! no offense to the guyz who like it. 
Well, I'm off to get a cold 1 and watch TV to see stupid peeps freeze their @ss off outside.  HAPPY NEW YEARS!! |
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googs
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| 390. Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2004 4:47 am Post subject: Arcade help |
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Hi,
I have a couple questions. One, when im at home, i can AA some 8 footers on my soft pad, and am planning on building a hard pad, yet when i go to the arcade, i fail almost every song except easy standard and light modes. Its not that i cant move with the beat fast enough, its just that i keep hitting the metal in between the arrows instead of the arrows. How can i get better at the arcade? Two, how can i learn to cross over? Ive been playing for over a year, and now im at a plateau and need to learn how to get better (like on catas).
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razer56
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| 391. Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2004 10:28 am Post subject: home built metal pad |
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| for building your own metal pad, is it ok if you use 3/4 inch plywood instead of 1/2 inch plywood, because the 1/2 seems like it would break easily. |
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razer56
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| 392. Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2004 10:34 am Post subject: for googs |
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| I have the same problem. I'm planning to build my own metal pad also for home, but I also go to the arcade to practice. You need to go to the arcade more and get use to the pad. You need to get use to wearing sneakers and picking up your feet more. |
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D_6969
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| 393. Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2004 11:29 pm Post subject: Re: home built metal pad |
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| razer56 wrote: | | for building your own metal pad, is it ok if you use 3/4 inch plywood instead of 1/2 inch plywood, because the 1/2 seems like it would break easily. |
Ehhhh, don't know much about wood huh? 1/2 inches of plywood (as long as it's on the ground) will support your weight unless you weigh like 350+ pounds. Even if you stomp really hard. |
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D_6969
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| 394. Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2004 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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Sah-K a.k.a Fuji
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| 395. Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2004 5:54 am Post subject: |
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Does anyone have any solutions on how to hit long freezes? like in my case when the freeze is longer than a half note, it usually counts as no good. I'm assuming it b/c im only around 110~115 pounds max. But may be somethin else....
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n2oxide
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| 396. Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2004 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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holding the longer freezes (like the freeze-stop on Max 300) when you're barely weighing over 100 is hard. i know, i'm only 113 lbs. try to avoid shifting your weight too much while holding freezes (or try avoiding any movement on the foot you must hold the freeze on).
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Sah-K a.k.a Fuji
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| 397. Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2004 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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I try not to move my weight as much as possible, but even then I still have times when it goes off no good.. . My friend says its partially the pad that I play on but even so, when I got to play on a decent machine there are several times when its no good. If I get my entire foot on the arrow its usually fine. Though most songs I play usually are quite fast and I'd be lyin if I said Im foot-eye coordinated
Im curious if anyones got a good solution |
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sentinel
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local 808 gurl
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| 399. Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2004 10:05 am Post subject: |
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what are catas?
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shifting from pad to pad is qite hard at times.....bit more practice and you'll be fine! most of the stuff done on DDR is just basicly practice after practice.....if a fat git like me 
