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Shooting Star
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Well, I'm getting up into some songs on Heavy at home and I need some help. Although I can pass some of the easier 8-foot songs (Sandstorm, Logical Dash, In the Navy, Super Star and Spin the Disc, I have As or Bs on all of them,) I'm still stuck on some of the 7-footers ... I can't pass The Whistle Song or D2R! In The Whistle Song, all the jumps at the beginning get me really tired, then the steps in the middle of the song screw me up, and in D2R, I get confused with the 1/16th steps in the middle >_<
I play every day at home and just AA'd my first songs on Heavy (Kind Lady and Shining Polaris, back to back, and I'll probably manage Dream a Dream tomorrow because I got 1 good on it today O_o) Does anyone have any advice for passing those aforementioned pesky 7-footers? If I can get those done, I'll have finally passed 7 I think. |
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| 362. Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2003 11:34 pm Post subject: |
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Well shooting star, im not that great, but i had the same difficulty that you're having now. so hope this helps you as it did me getting past this level
For D2R: I HATE 1/16 steps!! not the easy ones you can just gallop to, but the random ones that are just flopped in wherever in the song! I think there are a few ways you can get around this:
1) U play at home right? so use that clicker thing that claps whenever you're supposed to step. more often that not, you will realise that the clap occurs to the beats of the song (no matter how obscure it may be) - whether it be a melody, or a bass beat in the background. Hopefully, after listening to the claps, you will get a feel for the song and stepping on those 1/16 beats will be a lot easier.
2) However, although unlikely, if there is absolutely no beat that the 1/16 steps are in sync to, then when the 1/16 beats come up, forget about the music and just put all your focus on the arrows and step when they pass the top. This is hard for those ppl who just have to listen to the music, but should be easier for those who are not as musically adept. Although this method should probably not be used for D2R. - so yeh ignore this one unless all else fails.
For Whistle: I think you said stamina was your problem here? Well although you probably realise that you should continue to practice until ur stamina gets better, there is another way that will allow you to finish those really tiring songs. Just play whilst a fan is blowing on you. It is surprising how much energy you conserve when a fan is around. You wont get as hot and that can allow you to exert yourself a bit more. Other than that quick fix, i guess just improve stamina by playing songs like CSFILSM (on standard), some of tha paranoias that are a bit easier on standard, captain jack, luv to me (amd), maybe even max 300 on standard - as it is a relatively easy 8 footer once u realise what the fast steps are.
Oh well, hope that helped.
Now there's a little problem thats just irritating.....
In b4U - yes the 6 foot one! theres this one part that keeps stopping me from getting AAA. If u bother to look at the step cahrt, its in the second column and the third bracket thing. THe place where you have to do 3 sets of double steps but quickly? its like:
Left + Down
Right + Down
Left + Down
With the first and last steps being on the beat and the middle one between beats. I just cant seem to move my feet fast enough to hit those and always seem to get a good on the last steps. I was wondering if you ppl shifted both feet when doing that, whether you kept your right foot hitting down and only changed left foot? Anyways, rather useless question |
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| 363. Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2003 9:21 am Post subject: |
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DreamDancer> I would recommend playing at whatever speed you can comfortably read at. I use speed mods on everything below 300 bpm, but I stick with 1x for the max's (because I can't read it as well on 1.5x... well, except for reverse (thanks extra stage)).
Getting used to reading complex patterns at 1x won't help you with the max's... It will only help with reading complex patterns at 1x!
For passing the max's, you can try a couple of things. First, you can stick to working on PA and playing the max's with that style... you may get tired faster, and miss more and fail. However, when you do pass it, you'll probably get a high grade (my gf did this, took forever to get Max300, but got an A when she did).
Or, if you just want to pass, play with "small steps", where you use your toes and heels, step on the insides of the arrows, and don't move your feet as much. Your PA will nosedive, but it saves a lot of energy, and you can B.S. your way though difficuly runs getting a lot of greats and goods with a few misses. (instead of mostly perfects, but then miss a bunch when you blow the run).
If you take the bottom route (like I did), and just try and pass them, you will eventually run into a wall when you want to get better at (AA) them. I had to unlearn how to do that, and then build up stamina until I could play on my toes again before I AAed any of the Max's.
As far as your speed mods question, and bar comment, I'd just say play whatever's most comfortable for the goal that you seek...
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| 364. Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2003 7:27 am Post subject: |
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is there an average AAA per week ratio once you start refining your PA? More of a progression poll than a plea for help, but I'm still wondering. I've been getting about one per week since I got PYFIM(saturday night) on light two weeks ago. I have a feeling I will be hitting a fairly large brick wall once I hit five feet. Actually I have a new question now. I also got only eight greats on PYFIM (sat.) on heavy, and on pretty much all non-insane heavy songs I can get less than 20 greats if I really focus. What should my next step be? Just refine from heavy or slowly AAA songs on lower levels and work my way up?
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| 365. Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2003 7:27 pm Post subject: Crossovers |
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Alot of people i know are really good but they have not yet learned crossovers... i mean my friend brian can A EoTC but he cant crossover... idk how to explain to him how to crossover lol i mean he can but he isnt comfy with the idea... PS 270 has alot at the end so buhbye bri bri lol 
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| 366. Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2003 7:30 pm Post subject: Crossovers |
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Alot of people i know are really good but they have not yet learned crossovers... i mean my friend brian can A EoTC but he cant crossover... idk how to explain to him how to crossover lol i mean he can but he isnt comfy with the idea... PS 270 has alot at the end so buhbye bri bri lol
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| 367. Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2003 2:44 am Post subject: |
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sometimes it's the other way around when i had been playing for a little while i learned cross overs and then i would see other people better than me that couldnt do them
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| 368. Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2003 11:52 am Post subject: |
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| wesdives wrote: | | is there an average AAA per week ratio once you start refining your PA? More of a progression poll than a plea for help, but I'm still wondering. I've been getting about one per week since I got PYFIM(saturday night) on light two weeks ago. I have a feeling I will be hitting a fairly large brick wall once I hit five feet. Actually I have a new question now. I also got only eight greats on PYFIM (sat.) on heavy, and on pretty much all non-insane heavy songs I can get less than 20 greats if I really focus. What should my next step be? Just refine from heavy or slowly AAA songs on lower levels and work my way up? |
That's a complex question, but my method is I'd work from light songs forward, unless I'm really familiar with a song (I've sdged a few heavy songs just by knowing how to do them). It really does help, as it is usually best to understand how to get all perfects in simple patterns so that you can move up in the ranks. But, for this, do not take slow songs first or fast songs first, variations in speed will actually help you learn faster, and knowing how to deal with high and low speeds is essential, as you never know what you'll be dealing with. But, take BPM changers in moderation, as I can contend to how difficult they can be to read...
But the bottom line is, one should become adept in all areas of one skill level before they fully move onto the next one. Taking care of the simple first will make the difficult less difficult. |
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n2oxide
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| 369. Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2003 9:00 am Post subject: |
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i'm working on stamina right now... that's the only thing keeping me from passing HV AM and other tiring songs on standard. any good songs for stamina building on standard?
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| 370. Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2003 1:29 am Post subject: |
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im reluctant to say "play these songs and your stamina will improve" because for me, i have found that building stamina does not come from playing a few select songs repeatedly, but long hard practice with a whole range of songs.
With that i mind, here are some sort of challenging songs for stamina on standard:
CSFIL (speed mix)
captain jack
rythm and police
cartoon heroes
any of the paranoias i guess
max 300, legend of max, sakura (they might seem hard atm, but they arent really - just look at stepcharts)
But i stress that you must play a wide range of songs to build stamina. When you play ddr, dont leave only after playing 2 games, play hard and get tired, really tired. |
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jayrq
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| 371. Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2003 8:27 am Post subject: |
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if i went through the trouble of writing allt his crap, it's gotta be worth reading. if not, then burn yourself to death for all i care, see how much better you get!
yeah, i'll have to disagree with tiring yourself out as many physical experts say that this is just a way of injuring yourself. although not being a physical expert myself, im pretty sure you can look it up and many will agree that overworking your muscles will just lead to cramps, pulled muscles, torn ligaments and POSSIBLY a LOWER stamina (well, if u tore a ligament, your stamina would drop pretty far wouldn't it?).
now this isn't really a good example, but take a look at Dragon Ball Z. Vegeta trained in a CAPSULE CORP. spaceship on earth until he eventually blew it up and injured himself so he had to stay out of training for a while. Lets take note Vegeta was always one step behind Goku.
now lets take Goku training Gohan after leaving the hyperbolic time chamber. Gohan insists that they continue training but Goku replies that one thing that's just as important as training is REST.
okay, so those aren't good "examples" of how to train. but they are logical. the harder you work yourself out, the longer it takes to regain your strength. therefore, the harder you strain your muscles, the longer it will take you to regain full strength.
lets just say you do decide to burn yourself out on a sunday. from monday to saturday, you're goin to be resting in bed or sitting most of the time. or lets just say you have a little more stamina than that. on monday, you can play 5 songs, tuesday 4, wednesday 2 1/2 (failed), thursday friday and saturday none because u twisted your ankle or are just too effing tired.
case in point, the more you play, the more chances you have on injuring yourself. the more you injure yourself the more you rest. either way, whether you injure yourself or not, the more time you use to rest during the week will in turn become time you use to let your muscles become weaker. don't waste one day on a handfull of A's, C's and D's. just try to get 2 B's a day, then STOP. believe it or not, i tried the burnout method and it don't do squat. i tried just doin 2 or 3 songs every 2 days. two weeks of that training, and i passed max 300 as my last song with a B. thats right, my LAST song. the one where the judge shows you no mercy for error.
a couple songs is all you need a day. as long as you play consecutive days. don't let your rest outweigh your workout (duh). |
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| 372. Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2003 10:29 am Post subject: |
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i don't have time or money to go more than twice a week, but when i go on saturdays i usually play.. uh let's see... 46 tokens minus 10 divided by three... i play about 12 games of DDR or so. and that's if i only have $10 for tokens. on a good day i can B Rythm and Police, and Cartoon Heroes i have yet to B, but it tires me out quick. beebow and jayrq, if both of ur methods were combined (long hard DDR regularly and lots of rest) then maybe i would get used to the frequency of playing for long periods?
thx for the help... i'll try CSFIL this saturday. 
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| 373. Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2003 2:31 pm Post subject: |
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| jayrq wrote: | | yeah, i'll have to disagree with tiring yourself out as many physical experts say that this is just a way of injuring yourself. |
Yeah, I'll have to disagree with you. Maybe a olympic runner shouldn't sprint three miles the day before a decathalon, or even a week before a decathalon, but this is a minute and a half song.
And also, I failed Maxx Unlimited right before the freeze, the waited five minutes and tried again, failed because of an almost on the final freeze, the played again and failed just after the first freeze, then played thirty seconds later and passed with a B. I haven't failed it since. I also play max 300 thirty times a night at least once a week. Never had an injury, never been tired (the next day, that is)
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jayrq
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| 374. Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2003 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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| wesdives wrote: | | jayrq wrote: | | yeah, i'll have to disagree with tiring yourself out as many physical experts say that this is just a way of injuring yourself. |
Yeah, I'll have to disagree with you. Maybe a olympic runner shouldn't sprint three miles the day before a decathalon, or even a week before a decathalon, but this is a minute and a half song.
And also, I failed Maxx Unlimited right before the freeze, the waited five minutes and tried again, failed because of an almost on the final freeze, the played again and failed just after the first freeze, then played thirty seconds later and passed with a B. I haven't failed it since. I also play max 300 thirty times a night at least once a week. Never had an injury, never been tired (the next day, that is) |
are you going to listen to someone who doesn't know the difference between "an" and "a". its "Maybe AN olympic runner shouldn't sprint three miles the day before a decathalon." and yes if it is ONE on and a half minute song, thats fine. yeah, anyone, even an eight year old can play a one and half minute song once. its playing 10. which amounts to quite more than ONE minute. 15 minutes of play.
another thing, you only sound conceited saying that hish when we all know at least half of what you posted isn't true. if it is, you shouldn't be giving advice to newbs because the last time you were one was too long ago. you're obviously too good (meaning stupid) to give out advice.
lets add the "the waited five minutes". okay, i know you meant "then waited.." i forgive you for that (dumb buttocks) but what im trying to say is YOU RESTED. that just supports my theory dumb buttocks.
if you play as many songs as he implies, you better be on a cheap machine, otherwise it'll run you 5 dollars a day, five days a week. and this is an average. thats 25 bucks a week. why spend so much failing most of the time. save money and just build up stamina the RIGHT way.
finally, a decathalon is 10 (ten, so he understands) events. not just running...dumb buttocks
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| 375. Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2003 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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| aww that shucks, i can't write ash!!!!! oh..uhh, forget it dumb azz |
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| 376. Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2003 2:54 am Post subject: |
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omg, dont flame people about their grammar, in case you havent figured it out, perfect syntax isnt a condition for posting on these boards.
so thanks for your contribution jayrq in your previous two posts, oh wait, what was your contribution in those two posts again? *scans them over* oh i dont see one! how confounding...i though intelligent posters usually included a point in their posts, either you didnt realise the fact that your posts were utterly meaningless, or maybe you're just not very intelligent.....hmmmmm i wonder
anyway, i stand by my point, play until you are really tired. i think 12 games of ddr is more than enough so just keep doing that and you should be fine. I dont know what kind of idiots would tear their ligaments or twist their ankles so frequently that they are afraid to over exert themselves over a few games of ddr....oh wait....*looks at above post* maybe i do  |
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wesdives
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| 377. Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2003 4:07 am Post subject: |
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| beebow wrote: | | omg, dont flame people about their grammar, in case you havent figured it out, perfect syntax isnt a condition for posting on these boards. |
Thank you very much. You don't see people standing up for one another much on these boards.
| jaryq wrote: | are you going to listen to someone who doesn't know the difference between "an" and "a". its "Maybe AN olympic runner shouldn't sprint three miles the day before a decathalon." and yes if it is ONE on and a half minute song, thats fine. yeah, anyone, even an eight year old can play a one and half minute song once. its playing 10. which amounts to quite more than ONE minute. 15 minutes of play.
another thing, you only sound conceited saying that hish when we all know at least half of what you posted isn't true. if it is, you shouldn't be giving advice to newbs because the last time you were one was too long ago. you're obviously too good (meaning stupid) to give out advice.
lets add the "the waited five minutes". okay, i know you meant "then waited.." i forgive you for that (dumb buttocks) but what im trying to say is YOU RESTED. that just supports my theory dumb buttocks.
if you play as many songs as he implies, you better be on a cheap machine, otherwise it'll run you 5 dollars a day, five days a week. and this is an average. thats 25 bucks a week. why spend so much failing most of the time. save money and just build up stamina the RIGHT way.
finally, a decathalon is 10 (ten, so he understands) events. not just running...dumb buttocks |
No, I didn't start playing on a Monday and then pass MaxX Unlimited on the following Thursday. It took a lot of practice, (about five months), just to pass max 300, but I did it by playing on training mode (speed three), playing it twenty or thirty times over without rest, and then making the jump straight to normal speed once I knew the jist of the song. An entire year later I tried Unlimited, without training mode, and the rest follows just as I said. I'm not saying anyone just starting to play or even just starting to play ten-footers should do what I've done, but it will get your stamina up quick. And as far as waiting five minutes before trying unlimited again, that really isn't that much, considering I had played it immediately before, and twice in a row after I started again. And I play home versions to avoid paying $5.00 to play songs I know I'm going to fail on pads that aren't in top condition. I also recomend this to people just starting to play, as it saves a lot of money and possibly embarrasment. 
And you forgive me? Well, I must thank you for that considering how my typo was a personal attack on you.
| jaryq wrote: | | aww that shucks, i can't write ash!!!!! oh..uhh, forget it dumb azz |
Capitalize the first word of a sentence, and unless you are talking about removing the husk from corn, "schucks" is not a word. Always capatilize proper nouns such as "I". One exclamation point is sufficient, three is accepted to emphasize a point, five is unnecessary and just poor grammar. Once again, capitalize the first word in a sentence, three periods to indicate a pause, and a space after the last one before continuing with text. "Uhh" is onomotopeia, and useless in a typed message, and finally "dumbass" is one word, and the censoring can be easily avoided, if you know how.
I got a 720 on my verbal SAT's two years ago when I was a sophomore, I think I know basic grammar rules, which, as beebow said, are completely irrelevant on message boards.
Edit: The more time goes by the more I pick what you said apart. Good does not equal stupid. Obviously I had to have known some secret in order to have gotten to where I am, and regardless I am entitled to my opinion, which happens to coincide with most of the people here. And why should good people not give advice to novices? That's what this thread was created for. And I have absolutely no reason to lie to make myself look better. Everyone here knows me as wesdives, not my real name, so what difference does it make?
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n2oxide
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| 378. Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2003 12:25 pm Post subject: |
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how about tips for doubles mode? i just started playing doubles on Saturday and it is confusing... 1p right arrow and 2p left arrow really screws me up (i keep stepping on the metal part of the pads.  )
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| 379. Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2003 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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Does anyone have any advice on how to step up from light to standard? I'm somewhat new (4 months), and I can play any light song without a problem...but I'm having trouble taking that step up. (I might be a lttle slow--I talked with someone at a tourney that has only been playing for 2 1/2 months and is way better than I am)
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After all the training to pass Tsugaru I can't even get through the middle of the song...should I start with 7-footers and build myself up again or should I start on a 8 or 9 footer? Please help me lol! 
