Official IN THE GROOVE Thread - New arcade dancing game!

foyboy21 · Roxor Staff Joined: 21 Sep 2002 Location: Seattle

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My interest is definatly up. If I ever see it in an arcade I will be sure to play. If they ever make a PC home port I would be sure to pick that up as well.

The Game II · Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2003 6:06 pm Post subject:

Just a quick question since it's still in development.

Ever thought about cross? I've always wondered what it'd be like to play cross on DDR. Without speed mods, cross would be hella sick (and I think it's something that should have been put in DDR as an added difficulty).

Your thoughts?

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foyboy21 · Roxor Staff Joined: 21 Sep 2002 Location: Seattle

Um, for the unenlightned, what is CROSS?

The Game II · Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2003 10:47 pm Post subject:

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The Game II · Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2003 12:19 am Post subject:

Kinda close to cross, but still sounds cool.

Does someone want to hook me up with a ride so I can try this game out?

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foyboy21 · Roxor Staff Joined: 21 Sep 2002 Location: Seattle

What city do you live in?

4goodor4awesome · Basic Member Joined: 02 Feb 2003 Location: Dothan, AL

OK someone give me a song list. I dying to know if i should travel to a BIG city to play it once it goes "big" or just stay here and play my DDREX. SO song list someone?
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LOKI · Trick Member Joined: 24 Jan 2002 Location: Folsom, CA, USA

Since the software is PC based, how would you stop people from bootlegging it.
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I think I speak for everyone (hopefully

) when I say

There is no way to stop people from bootlegging software

No matter how powerful the security, hackers and other bootleggers will ALWAYS find a way around it. I mean look at Konami's Bemani games, ALL of them (or the ones worthwile) are bootlegged. If its an arcade game with a CD that runs it, the effect is pretty small on the company itself.

there's my 2 cents

As for ITG, it does look a cheap knock off of DDR and is VERY amature looking as of now. I just hope the final product can live up to what DDR was before Konami let it die. I hope te see a sweet layout (it's pretty nice now but the arrows need work) and more songs (enough to let it live long enough). I still say good luck and I hope to see it live at LEAST long enough for a 3rd or 4th Mix or maybe itll be as popular as well all hope.

(nobody wants DDR to die!)

PIU has WELL OVER 10 mixes and the secret of PIU's success is quite obvious. It's SO massivly appealing to Korea. PIU uses music from the MOST POPULAR Korean artists therefor making people think "Hey I love this song, why not dance to it?". The reason PIU is so unpopular in America (I personally love it) is because, like DDR, it has no familiar songs to America. Konami was certainly going in the right direction when beginning to add licensed songs to their home releases.

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Rancidfish · Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2003 1:07 am Post subject:

I don't know exactly why, but I feel this urge to request... if single you could go to 1-100 like in DM or Pop'n that would be cool to distinguish difficulty better.

Then on double, go from 1-120 or something. Use the bigger pad and expand the difficulty by a little bit. A freeze on the leftmost arrow, then 1/16ths on the right side? Go for it. 4, maybe even 5-panel jumps? Sure!

Also, about difficulty, I don't mind harder steps as long as they still follow the music well. Example: So Deep "insane difficulty"... xX-xX-xX-xX-X-X- I wouldn't mind (capital equals jump), but stuff like triplets, solid 1/16th runs, etc. I would. ...well, if you use good judgement, 1/16th runs would be acceptable too even if they aren't syncing to instruments, as long as they're during a "busy" portion of the song. But preference should be given to making the song difficult by following the music.
There are a lot of situations where you could follow the music better than in DDR and make the song harder at the same time. Example: All the 1/16th runs in the synth line for B4U (especially the B4ZA remix).
Just try not to add steps "just to make it harder." In DDR, the only 10-footers I really like the steps to are PARANOiA Survivor and bag... and bag is really iffy a lot of the time. The rest of the 10s just have random crap and it bugs me.
(This is in response to what I have seen of FoyBoy edits. Sometimes, the steps just don't make sense, and that's not fun to me.)

INSPIRATION: Ooh! For the difficulty counter, you could make it like an easy-to-read groove radar. Give every song a "jumps" rating from 1-100, a "speed" rating, a "stamina" rating, and so on. If you had numerical representations, combined with something made to look like a Spectrum Analyzer, (with appropriate "green to red" shading), that would give it a totally new "stereo" look and would be, IMO, a better system. Plus seeing a song with all of the meters "in the red" would be really intimidating. The "huge bizarre shape" in DDRMAX->Extreme never really did that to me.

PART II: If you wanted to be really fancy but kind of step-design-heavy or processor-heavy, you could make the meters in some location onscreen displaying how difficult the surrounding portion of the song is real-time. That would be a totally cool, never-done-before addition that would give your game a certain flair of its own, and it would be freaky to see the meters spike red just before a part like the hard portion of Leading Cyber.
Problem: You'd need a "difficulty" reference in the "stepchart," about once a measure or so (or any other complexity you want) and then connect the values linearly for a smoother flow. If you had a good system for calculating ratings automatically (though that would be really hard... the ones in DWI/SM are kinda crappy), you could have it calculate the rating as if the entire song were just the measure-or-so preceding and succeeding the current point.

Also, how many difficulties do you plan to include? I think four or five would be a good number, and the highest rating should have a name like "insane." Sure, PIU did it, and so did DDR (Crazy, Maniac) but it's a good idea anyway. "Extreme" and the like work too.

MORE INSPIRATION: Another way to distinguish the game would be to go the GF/DM route and make the scroll speed of the arrows independent of the song's BPM, ala GF/DM. That would also destroy all the "You didn't really pass bag unless you played it on 1x!" arguments.
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Rancidfish · Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2003 4:13 pm Post subject:

SXA · Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2003 3:05 pm Post subject:

I'd just like to chime in and say that ANY type of music is better than the all crap J-pop song list that DDR is slowly turning into. I only like 1/4 of the Extreme songs.

foyboy21 · Roxor Staff Joined: 21 Sep 2002 Location: Seattle

TEH TOAST (cookie mix),
In PiU the song Ms. S. Story already has a 5 panel jump. I use both hands, both feet and my right knee.

The Game II · Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2003 1:48 pm Post subject:

I forgot to mention, if I am forced to do kneedrops, double handplants, etc., I'll just keep on movin by. I hate doing such.

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Rancidfish · Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2003 6:43 am Post subject:

CoreyBlaze · Trick Member Joined: 11 Mar 2002 Location: Puerto Rico

My 2 cents:

Well, I don't know for sure yet if DDR is really over, I have yet to read something like that from 100% reliable source. I just feel there's something wrong in using that as excuse for making money, because making money is the main objective of business, right? C'mon, no one does this sort of thing just because "they love ddr and they don't want to see the concept die". Bull****.

Anyways, don't get me wrong, I still enjoy playing any sort of music game, but this a blatant rip-off of ddr, and as someone said before, even PIU plays like a different game. It's very unlikely that I'll ever get the chance to play this, if DDR machines are very rare around here, I bet that ITG "machines" will be even rarer. I hope that the final version ends up being really great, because judging by the pics I saw a while ago, there's a LOT of need for improvement if you want this to be a successful DDR replacement. Good Luck on the project anyways.

Heh, has anyone realized that when this comes out it will be REALLY easy to port these songs to dwi/sm?

SXA · Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2003 11:28 pm Post subject:

I don't care if it is a ripoff of anything. Whatever is the better game is the better game, originiality be damned. That's how I view most video games.