Interesting 9th Mix News

DJzen · Trick Member Joined: 28 Oct 2002 Location: near Philly

Bemani songs undanceable? Please tell me you're kidding. You ARE kidding, right? Colors, V, and L'amour et la Liberte are all very danceable thankyouverymuch. In fact, many of the songs from the Beatmania series that have wound up on DDR are VERY danceable. Sure, some songs from Guitar Freaks and Drum Mania aren't as Europop-centric as DDR 1st Mix, but may I remind all that 1st Mix included Little doggy, as well as Paranoia. If anyone can dance to Paranoia please let me know. Okay, that was a dumb statement coming from someone who has a Pat Peeve tape lying around, but still, when I think dance music I don't think Paranoia.

Getting back on topic...

If it's true that Konami's making another DDR chances are that it'll be different. People are kinda sick of the same ol' Max format afaik. There's also the picture that Konami was using to promote DDR Extreme that said "we're starting over". Sure, maybe it was just some random english thrown in to look cool, but there's a good chance that they're brewing up something fresh. It wouldn't be equivalent to IIDX really, since DDR's IIDX would be Solo (even though it bombed), it'd probably be more like III. Who knows, maybe they're working on a new cabinet with 1080i resolution and a decent sound system. Maybe this time they're going to use a DVD ROM storage method. Or maybe they're just gonna make Extreme2 with more of the same. Maybe they ARE stopping DDR. At this point all we can do is wait and see. I like waiting and seeing. I get the feeling that less has been spoiled that way

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DJzen · Trick Member Joined: 28 Oct 2002 Location: near Philly

Bemani songs undanceable? Please tell me you're kidding. You ARE kidding, right? Colors, V, and L'amour et la Liberte are all very danceable thankyouverymuch. In fact, many of the songs from the Beatmania series that have wound up on DDR are VERY danceable. Sure, some songs from Guitar Freaks and Drum Mania aren't as Europop-centric as DDR 1st Mix, but may I remind all that 1st Mix included Little doggy, as well as Paranoia. If anyone can dance to Paranoia please let me know. Okay, that was a dumb statement coming from someone who has a Pat Peeve tape lying around, but still, when I think dance music I don't think Paranoia.

Getting back on topic...

If it's true that Konami's making another DDR chances are that it'll be different. People are kinda sick of the same ol' Max format afaik. There's also the picture that Konami was using to promote DDR Extreme that said "we're starting over". Sure, maybe it was just some random english thrown in to look cool, but there's a good chance that they're brewing up something fresh. It wouldn't be equivalent to IIDX really, since DDR's IIDX would be Solo (even though it bombed), it'd probably be more like III. Who knows, maybe they're working on a new cabinet with 1080i resolution and a decent sound system. Maybe this time they're going to use a DVD ROM storage method. Or maybe they're just gonna make Extreme2 with more of the same. Maybe they ARE stopping DDR. At this point all we can do is wait and see. I like waiting and seeing. I get the feeling that less has been spoiled that way

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Tomo-kun AKA s1 · Trick Member Joined: 18 Aug 2002 Location: In a ditch

on the whole DDR solo being its IIDX, BM 3 came out b efore IIDX
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StripesPanda · Trick Member Joined: 26 Sep 2002 Location: Oakhurst

i don;t think ddr "starting over" has anything to do with new arrows (or old types like solo.) This is most probably true because they saud we're starting over, on EXTREME, and no new kinds of arrows or new hardware have appeared.

Keep in mind that if any changes were to be made, they should have been made in extreme, because they are starting over in extreme.

I think that "we're starting over" is more a term for the content, though.

Idea 1.) Maybe the finality of songs like Dance Dance Revolution and LEGEND of max and oni's like legend road play into this all. Maybe the finality is the old ddr, maybe EXTREME was the final mix of the old ddr, and the next mix will be wiped clean of all previous songs. Maybe it means that every single song on the next mix will be NEW and never before seen in any game.

Idea 2.) Maybe the "we're starting over" means that new modes and new types of music will be introduced. This would make sense because they are already doing the songs from other bemani games, and so maybe other genres and types of music will be introduced. About the modes thing, maybe they are trying to rival PIU (even though DDR is way more popular) by adding new modes, like nonstop remixes, or reintroducing battle mode.

Idea 3.) Maybe we're starting over is trying to say that DDR EXTREME was the last for Japan, and the rest will be for America.

Idea 4.) Maybe we're starting over means that DDR will be bring bak the most popular thing ever in DDR in coming mixes, (modes, songs, characters or not, etc...) while at the same time adding new and exciting things to the mix.

I dunno, just some ideas...
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Larrikin · Contributor Joined: 17 Feb 2002 Location: Illadelphia

I firmly believe that DDR Extreme is not the last mix, but any people spouting off about how we'll be getting American arcade releases just has no idea what they are talking about. Konami of America has closed thier arcade divisions doors, and even if they hadn't that law suit they had with that Andamiro company or whatever it was barrer KOA from ever releasing another DDR Arcade mix anyway. KOJ does not give a damn about us and never will. In fact I bet they hate us, for bootlegging so much.
However until I get firm word from KOJ saying DDR EX is the final mix I will continue to believe that KOJ will produce ANOTHER JAPANESE DDR arcade release.
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Chris Chan · Basic Member Joined: 27 Jul 2003

I still remember when DDRMAX was supposively the "last mix".

Gamer X · Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2003 7:35 am Post subject:

Like I said long time ago, never say "Final" in a series unless the company says its final.

This is a business after all so if there is money to be made then they're going to milk that cow dry. Plus now that American Idol is tring to get into the picture with their game (don't think its going to be good though) than I'm pretty sure that they'll make another one for the acardes and for sure they'll more for the home platform.

As the old saying goes though "Only time will tell, so lets just wait and see."
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Tomo-kun AKA s1 · Trick Member Joined: 18 Aug 2002 Location: In a ditch

they had been saying ddr was going to end since fourth mix PLUS. and also each time somone says "ddr is ending with blah blah mix" its always a rumor. i remember this being spred alot by spike. please dont ban me

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DJX · Trick Member Joined: 30 Jun 2003 Location: CA

I think that its gonna be impossible for any of us to know whether 9th mix is coming out or not until we get an official announcement. Yes, EXTREME said "We're Starting Over", but Final Fantasy got its name because it was supposed to be Squaresoft's last game...riiiiiiiiight...

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9AD · Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2003 11:51 am Post subject:

okay guys, here is the simplest (and probably most acurate) reason why Konami has not said anythign about 9th mix.
There are currently three home version of DDR that have yet to be released. even though the base code for thes games are pretty simular, compling the songs and writign the code takes a lot of people. and alot of these people would also be the team that would be working on the new arcade mix. think about it, why work on reinventing the acrace version when they haven't even finished the home versions. once all of the home versions are release (both here and in Japan), we will start to see some news about 9th mix. until then , just remember that Konami is in this industry for one reason, to make money (if you doubt me, just remember that Konami is also responsible for the god alful Yu-Gi-Oh crap).

DJTyrant · Maniac Member Joined: 25 Jan 2002 Location: Ventura, CA

wait wait wait

what 3 mixes are you talking about??

DDRMAX2 was just released in Japan and Extreme has been announced, so please clarify what you mean. I'd be surprised if Konami isn't working on 9th Mix right now. The problems with home releases is not the code really, it's the licencing issues (where oh where is Beatmania IIDX for PS2??).
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9AD · Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2003 3:07 pm Post subject:

DDR Extreme for PS2(J-spec), DDRMAXX2 for PS2(states) and DDR Ultimix for Xbox, last time i checked, noone of these has gone gold yet, so there respective teams, which are made up of members fo KCEJ arcade devision, are still working on them as of present time. honestly we woun't get any new arcade news until all three of these have been compleated and released. once these ones make lots of money, Konami will make a decision on a new arcade stage.

Maizie · Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2003 6:40 pm Post subject:

Wait, where do you get that the same programmers would be working on coding for a new DDR arcade mix that would be working on DDR home mixes?? Why would the people from the arcade division be working on a home entertainment release at all? Why would people from KCEJ (Konami Computer Entertainment Japan be working on US releases? Wouldn't that be the people from KCEA?

I admit that I have no knowledge of the coding teams, but I'm not sure that you do either, and I'm not going around trying to tell people about the possibility of there being a DDR mix I know nothing about...

9AD · Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2003 2:17 am Post subject:

first off, KCEA houses (as far as i remember... to lazy to look up actually staff/projects) a very limited staff, and is in all actually just an office. very little if any programing goes on there. and most of that is just translation and publishing.
second, dispite the large amount of revenue generated by Konami, it is still a rather small company. think about it, how many NEW (as in not based on any other pre existing products) does Konami release a year? not very many, usually three or four a year. and when a new product is in the works, it's usually there for years and word dosent even get out about it until it's with in 18 months or so of compleation. hell, if you need proof that Konami staff is streached rather thin, Metal Gear Soild: Twin Snakes is being handled by Sillicon Knights. (random fact for the day) thinka baout it why else would one of Konami's flagship games be handled by someone other then Konami?
point the third; i also forgot to mention that various members of the teams that handle Bemani games are also working on Kareoke Revolution, so that brings the total of games these teams are allready comited to compleating to four.
fourth; i was not saying there was or was not an impending 9th mix. i was saying Konami still needs to complete and rebuild revenue from other projects before they can fully commit to a "9th mix" (by making an offical anoucement). and in all honesty, given the large demand for a updated platform for DDR. This requires both time and money in rather large amounts. so in all actuality, i am more or less saying "shut up, Konami will let us know when they are ready to let us know"
fifth, i would like to apologize for all the various spelling and grammatical errors that i am sure are in this post, it's currently 3:16 am as i write this and i am in need of much elusive sleep.

MeltyKiss · Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2003 4:25 am Post subject:

When Akira and Hirotaka said that they have no plans to close down their "BEMANI" department, they meant Bemani in general... not just DDR.

*wishes he knew Japanese so he could've asked them questions instead of just sitting there listening to Japanese @_@*
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