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JSBoOGeNie Trick Member
Joined: 10 Jun 2003 Location: Southern California (LA COUNTY) |
0. Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2003 10:25 pm Post subject: Really really easy. Don't hurt your brain. |
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Now. There's a very good chance this has been asked before. If it hasn't, then I don't know what you people talk about endlessly on this forum. So I'm going to ask it here. You're going to respond with an intelligent statement either agreeing or disagreeing with the mock statement.
Here's the mock statement.
"In a strictly Perfect Attack tournament, speed modifiers should be allowed, at the players discretion,"
So there you have it. This is a thread about whether or not speed mods should be allowed in PA tournaments. Its a very simple topic. Please stay on it. I want to see what the general feeling is, and I also want to see the supporting statements for both sides.
Thanks for reading, and I look forward to hearing your opinion.
P.S.
Once more, if theres been a topic on this already, that's great. We're going to re-inact it. So enjoy. |
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kimcicle Trick Member
Joined: 28 Jan 2002 Location: richardson, texas |
1. Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2003 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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Speed modifiers do not change the rhythm of a song, thus not affecting the timing of the steps. Even if the arrows are easier to read doesn't mean that it will improve your perfect count that much. _________________
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JSBoOGeNie Trick Member
Joined: 10 Jun 2003 Location: Southern California (LA COUNTY) |
2. Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2003 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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Step 1: Go to an arcade with a DDR EXTREME machine.
Step 2: Play Bag on 1x
Step 3: Record perfect count
Step 4: Play Bag on 3 or 5x.
Step 5: Record perfect count
Step 6: Go home
Step 7: Edit post. |
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cfusionpm Trick Member
Joined: 24 Jan 2002 Location: San Diego, CA |
3. Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2003 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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speed modifiers should not be allowed as it changes the viewing of the arrows between players. all players should play on the default settings. it evens the playing ground and prevents people who rely on speed mods to have an advantage over people who play it normally. a tournament should test someones skill, not how well they can uses speed mods. it levels the field making all the steps defaultly the same. then again, im against mods anyway because it makes it easier to read, and takes away the challenge. now mods that make it harder; thats what i like _________________
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Phrekwenci?! Trick Member
Joined: 05 May 2002
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4. Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2003 10:43 pm Post subject: |
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If you take away speed mods, then you have to take away the bars. _________________
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cfusionpm Trick Member
Joined: 24 Jan 2002 Location: San Diego, CA |
5. Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2003 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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Xenon wrote: | If you take away speed mods, then you have to take away the bars. |
i came with a saw one day to a local arcade and they made me leave it outside.... _________________
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Pyroblaze Trick Member
Joined: 19 Aug 2002 Location: Big Brother's lap |
6. Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2003 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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Speed mods should be allowed because it makes me PA much better and I am the center of the universe. _________________
NINZA wrote: | pyro ur a FAG |
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JSBoOGeNie Trick Member
Joined: 10 Jun 2003 Location: Southern California (LA COUNTY) |
7. Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2003 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | speed modifiers should not be allowed as it changes the viewing of the arrows between players. |
It doesn't change the arrows in any way though. This means the objective of both players is the exact same. They both have to hit the same steps at the same time.
Quote: | all players should play on the default settings. it evens the playing ground and prevents people who rely on speed mods to have an advantage over people who play it normally. |
Whats wrong with giving a player an advantage? What if I said you can't wear NIKE SHOX when you play ddr, because it gives you an advantage. There's a definate difference between an advantage and an unfair advantage. I compare speed mods to the bar. Many players play their best with the speed mods or with the bar. But using the bar, speed mods, or wearing a blue hat doesn't in any way change what you have to do, what the other person has to do, or anything like that.
Quote: | a tournament should test someones skill, not how well they can uses speed mods. |
That just makes no sense. I'll let somebody else take aim at it.
Quote: | it levels the field making all the steps defaultly the same. |
I'm not sure what that means either, but I think I grabbed the gist of it somehow. Using speed mods doesn't change the steps at all. It simply changes the appearance of the arrows. It comes with advantages and disadvantages. The advantages and disadvantages obviously counter each other evenly enough, and that is why konami included it as an option that doesn't change the score or the results. It makes the arrows faster, giving them more spacing, making them easier to read, but this happens at the expense of reaction time. It should be up to the player to weigh how he wants to balance these 2 factors. I think a good comparison would be rally racing. Everybody tries to get the perfect balance between oversteer and understeer, but in the end, they leave the decision up to the drivers, because whether or not your car has a load of understeer doesn't affect what your primary objective is, and if it helps you do well, then you should have at it.
Quote: | then again, im against mods anyway because it makes it easier to read, and takes away the challenge. |
Thats a gross generalization.
If I put PSM oni on 2 speed, does that take away the challenge?
Not really.. |
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cfusionpm Trick Member
Joined: 24 Jan 2002 Location: San Diego, CA |
8. Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2003 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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whoo! torn apart! go me! _________________
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Phrekwenci?! Trick Member
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9. Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2003 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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cfusionpm wrote: | Xenon wrote: | If you take away speed mods, then you have to take away the bars. |
i came with a saw one day to a local arcade and they made me leave it outside.... |
The bars can be removed. _________________
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JSBoOGeNie Trick Member
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10. Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2003 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | The bars can be removed |
Logic flies by at the speed of light.
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cfusionpm Trick Member
Joined: 24 Jan 2002 Location: San Diego, CA |
11. Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2003 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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Xenon wrote: | The bars can be removed. |
yeah, i know; but the owner wont remove them anyway. _________________
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Phrekwenci?! Trick Member
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12. Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2003 10:59 pm Post subject: |
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cfusionpm wrote: | yeah, i know; but the owner wont remove them anyway. |
I've been to tournies where they have been removed. Just stating some facts.
The bars would have to be removed if speed mods were not allowed so that there is no unfair advantage.
One person picks bag, the other puts on 3x. The other picks Legend of Max, and the first guy uses the bar. _________________
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cfusionpm Trick Member
Joined: 24 Jan 2002 Location: San Diego, CA |
13. Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2003 11:01 pm Post subject: |
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yeah, that makes sense. basically my point (poorly made) was that im disgusted with people who rape speed mods and the bar to get their high scores and cant do it under their own power/ballance on the default settings. _________________
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JSBoOGeNie Trick Member
Joined: 10 Jun 2003 Location: Southern California (LA COUNTY) |
14. Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2003 11:02 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | yeah, i know; but the owner wont remove them anyway. |
So you figured you'd persuade him by wielding a jagged weapon/destructive tool in his establishment.
You sir, are brilliant. |
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ADHD Goten Trick Member
Joined: 16 Jun 2002 Location: Where am I?! |
15. Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2003 11:02 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | a tournament should test someones skill, not how well they can uses speed mods. |
Quote: | That just makes no sense. I'll let somebody else take aim at it. |
Hmm.. Isn't being able to use a speed mod well a skill? _________________
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cfusionpm Trick Member
Joined: 24 Jan 2002 Location: San Diego, CA |
16. Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2003 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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JSBoOGeNie wrote: | Quote: | yeah, i know; but the owner wont remove them anyway. |
So you figured you'd persuade him by wielding a jagged weapon/destructive tool in his establishment.
You sir, are brilliant. |
he said he would not remove them when i asked him to remove them, apparently that wasnt implied very well. _________________
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JSBoOGeNie Trick Member
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17. Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2003 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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I figured. I'm just busting your balls. |
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Bryan Voorhees Trick Member
Joined: 11 Apr 2002 Location: Oklahoma City - CJ's |
18. Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2003 12:42 am Post subject: |
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The only time I am against bar at all is when someone is trying to learn the game but I could care less if they use it or not, I am in no way against speed mods, that silly. _________________
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Rancidfish Trick Member
Joined: 29 Jun 2002 Location: Santa Rosa, CA/Santa Cruz, CA |
19. Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2003 1:03 am Post subject: |
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I don't care about whether you use speed mods, bar, etc. or not. I'll just whoop you mod-whores across town and back on Road of Slow. (bag 1x is fun! XD) And then you'll kick my buttocks at The legend of MAX Extra Stage. (500 BPM is hard! DX) But oh well. We all have our strengths and weaknesses, eh?
I think tourneys should have some rounds played "oni conditions," i.e. no mods whatsoever, and other rounds played "normal conditions," i.e. whatever modifiers you want except solo (unless both players agree). That way, it would test both those skills, i.e. how you play under your "best conditions" and how you play under oni conditions. _________________
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