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[Swinky]

Is there really any difference between the cypher games deluxe ignition pad 1.0 or 2.0? The only real difference I am seeing is the 6 vs. 8 button issue. Do either of them work better?
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[Ke6dRRtY]

The CG 2.0 comes with dense foam, which I hear makes a BIG difference.

[skullie]

Hi, I've searched through many of these posts but haven't come up with a problem like mine. Hopefully this hasn't been posted yet.

I've had Redoctane Ignition Pad 2.0s since last Christmas, I had to send one back because it wasn't working correctly, but anyhow. One of the pads has a severe left arrow problem. It just won't register, especially on jumps it seems like. (because it's more sensitive to L and R needing to be pushed at the same time I suppose) This problem started a couple of months after I got it I think. I had no idea what the problem was until recently.

The foam insert has always been a very tight fit. I kept testing my pad on Paranoia Max Heavy, and I would consistently get around 13 boos based solely on the left arrow missing. Frustrated with everything, I took out the entire foam insert, and I full comboed the song this time, and each time after. I'm pretty sure the foam insert is just TOO BIG. I tried shaving off the sides, which worked temporarily, but I think I might need to shave off some of the thickness instead. Has anyone had similar problems? Should I just get a new insert?

Thanks!

[Larrikin]

http://www.lik-sang.com/info.php?category=22&products_id=3220&

I was thinking bout ordering these because the cheap ignitions work almost just as well as the real thing, but even these are kinda cheap for me, anyone had any experience with them?
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[diabloslayer469]

[SmACktHEkiDs]

hahahaha. I bought my CRAPPY Naki pad at Electronics Boutique. The thing is extra thick and lights up (but is really a piece of junk) So i put it on some 3/4 inch thick ply wood and under the wood i stapple some type of VERY rough gripping "spike plastic" (It looks like a thin square piece of plastic with spikes coming out of it) This worked AWESOME ...~... for 2 weeks... then it broke. The good thing is that at Elec. Bout. you can get a 1 year warranty for $6 or a 2 year for $8. So now I keep goin' in there and gettin a new one every other week. That seems to be the cheapest route for me... although it'd be nice to have a pad that works for more than a couple of freakin days.
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[diabloslayer469]

[Vultaire]

I don't post very often on here, but my recent purchase of a BNS DX Extreme bundle was sufficient reason for me to make a decent post. There seems to be a lot of discussion between primarlily the RedOctane Ignition 2.0 and the BNS DX pad, and although I cannot say anything about the Ignition 2.0, I can share my experiences thus far with the BNS pads.

Do let it be known that I just got these pads today, so they are based off a relatively short trial run.

SHIPPING / BOX CONTENTS
I ordered a 2 pad bundle from BNS which cost $89.95 for 2 pads, $5 off each pad pretty much. The shipping from CA to WA cost a whopping $25.25 via FedEx (which is how BNS ships their pads most the time within the continental US). So altogether for the bundle it cost me $115.20 for my bundle. Shipping was fairly quick; I ordered it at the beginning of Memorial Day weekend, and it reached me the third business day after Memorial Day.

The pads were bundled up fairly well. Included in each mat's box was: the mat itself, 3 dense foam inserts (I'll comment on this later), a free ps2-parallel adapter (unused), and a small packet with 4 round pads you would see come with a normal generic pad along with the manual to match which says nothing specific about the DX pad. There are no instructions on how to assemble the DX pad, but it's a no brainer anyway, so no biggie.

ASSEMBLY

The mats were not too hard to assemble. The first mat was a bit tighter than the second one; I think the inserts were actually a smidge too big, but they worked. Putting the 3 foam pieces together wasn't too big a deal, though it's not always exactly apparent how they are supposed to go together. The first pad was easy, while the second pad had me looking at the imperfections in the cut to see how they were originally together. No real big deal though. Anyway, both zipped up fine (though the first one needed a little coaxing), and both zippers survived the event without a problem.

PERFORMANCE

The play test for this mat was generally positive. I fired up DDR MAX for PS2, played several songs, and was able to score very well. I only play heavy songs or oni, and anything I tried I did fairly well at.

A few notes:

First, the dense inserts: though I wouldn't say you can't feel the divisions between the pieces at all, they very much impressed me overall. Also, being a bigger guy (about 275 pounds), I was curious whether or not these dense inserts would work - would they be too soft, or would they be too hard and end up breaking under my weight - well, after doing some decent jumping around on them, they seem to handle bigger guys quite well.

Second, my one major gripe: take a look at the picture for this pad, either at BNS's web site or RedOctane or any of the sites which carry this type pad. See how the inside of the arrows has a slight semicircle cut out of it? Well, the same goes for the reinforced button and the arrow sensor. The good news is it matches the pad's graphic design exactly. The bad news is, it makes the pad feel somewhat awkward at first, with the centers of the arrows effectively being scooted outward. HOWEVER, after playing on it for a little while, I think I have adjusted to it. You seldom hit your foot right in that semicircle anyway. But this is an annoyance, and was not that fun when playing Rhythm and Police on heavy. Frankly, if I had known about this I might not have invested in these pads, though I may be overly picky.

As for the last little bit on performance - the dense inserts did allow me to pull some nice high scores on several songs. I very easily AA'd Kind Lady and Dynamite Rave Down Bird Sota Mix. The raised buttons and typically firm surface proved very nice for doing slide steps on and for doing decent sized combos. In all fairness to the pad, I hardly think of the thing as a soft pad - it feels plenty hard to me and has some decent weight to it - however I will say that Max 300 Extra Stage may want you hoping for a true hard pad. Nonetheless, for the money this is a good pad, and if there's no way you can afford the Ignition 2.0, this is a good pad to get.

I'll try to post a followup sometime on their durability over time. For now, peace.

- Vultaire, a.k.a. VULT
DDR Bum from Tilt
Federal Way (Seattle), WA

[Tyronos]

Do you guys think the RedOctane Ignition 2.0 pad is better than the arcade hard pad? The goddamn down button on mine is messed up, so I'm thinking about replacing it.

[diabloslayer469]

[neko_loco]

Ok, folks, after reading all 23 pages my eyes are ready to bleed!

I have a Topway pad & after reading all the different approaches to modding I was wondering if you guys could give me your opinion?

I was thinking of doing TommyGun's mod, but was thinking about my poor achin' feet, so I wondered if putting some of that 1/2" foam NeedaHug talked about would help to cushion the pad if I were to cut a piece the same size as the plywood and spraymount it to the pad (or maybe duct-tape it to the pad) & then the plywood. I'm thinking this way the whole pad would be supported & wouldn't wiggle or bunch up. Whaddya think?

[Vultaire]

Diabloslayer: Here we go, one question answered at a time

Yes, as I said it came with a psx-parallel converter (lpt converter, same thing). I haven't used them, though I might try them out if I can't get my USB converter working with stepmania (it's SUPPOSED to work, but cuts out on me after a minute or two - but only in stepmania, not in any other program like zsnes or anything like that).

Thus far I have had no sticky arrows or ghost steps whatsoever.

If by Ignition pad you mean my BNS DX-Extreme, I don't have any plans to mod it. I bought two of them, and unless I feel a strong need to do double (which is possible), I don't think I'll mod them. They scoot very little during gameplay - I mean, I might have to scoot it back towards the center of the room a little after some songs, but it never scoots to the point where it interferes with gameplay. As far as mods, though I'm no expert, it sounds like most people lean towards the chair mat mod - and thinking about it, that makes sense. If you get a halfway decent chair mat - something that claws into the carpet pretty good and doesn't move unless you lift it completely off the carpet - I imagine that'd likely slide any bunching AND any sliding problems with any standard slip-and-slide pad (and sliding problems on "semi-hard" pads like this). I don't know much on chair mats, but yeah, if you can find an inexpensive one with a good underside which claws in nice, then go for that.

Dance pad covers sound like they can help, but I'm not sure if they're the best bet for this type of pad. After all, part of the thing on the pad is being able to feel the buttons - and I imagine a cover would impair that.

Really, a comment (though I might be thought a newb for saying this): Other than mods to keep the pad in place, I'm not sure any other mods are really worth it with pads like these with the dense inserts. Granted, I don't know much about modding pads except for the slip-and-slide style, but here's my thoughts. The inserts give you decent cushioning, they prevent bunching, and they draw the pad tight around it, kinda-sorta doing what a plywood/weatherstripping mod would do (extra accuracy/durability, but not as much durability as weatherstripping provides, so still don't wear your shoes). If you want a decent pad out of the box, yes, I am growing to really like these BNS pads. If you're planning to heavily modify a pad, heck, just get a decent slip-and-slide and mod it, be it an ignition 1.0 or a madcatz - however you choose to mod that, you'd likely get a nice lifespan out of it and good accuracy, plus I haven't really heard any complaints on ghost steps on MODDED soft pads, though I haven't read that awful much in detail.

I'll get back to you on the measurements - I'm too tired tonight to go get them

Anyway, take it easy, and hope this helped!

OH, ONE MORE NOTE IN GENERAL ABOUT THE BNS PADS: I've been trying them out on the oni courses on DDR MAX, and they seem to work very well. I've gotten pretty well accustomed to the "dead zone" described in my initial review (hey, more room to stand between songs, though I do wish it was active regardless). You very seldom hit JUST in the dead zone, so if you jump around like you're on the arcade mats, and don't mind the raised edge on the semicircle part of each arrow, your steps should register fine and your score should be very nice =)

- Vultaire, a.k.a. VULT
DDR Bum from Tilt
Federal Way (Seattle), WA

And one last thing: if you order these, and you end up with an invalid tracking number for fedex and it's been more than 8-12 hours since it should have shipped, just email BNS and they should help you out pretty quick. In my case they dropped 2 zeroes in the middle of my tracking number, so I wasn't able to track it for 99% of the transit time (my own fault for waiting on emailing them so long). When they responded, I checked fedex from college, and the pads had arrived at my home that day - very cool.

[platanaso]

I bought the non slip pad and it came wit these rour white circles wat do u do with them

[diabloslayer469]

Which mod to a BNS DX-Xteme Dance Pad is the best? A Chair Mat Mod or a plywood mod?

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[gladjss88]

EDIT:Ok, they seem to be Iginition style pads, but they're GameMate. I relally don't see how could this could make a difference except of the fact that it has a blue casing to protect the wires that go to the controller. (which i would think ignition pads would have too.) So once agian, is there a website with step by step instructions on how to modify a soft, fold up, 6 arrow GameMate pad? Thx.
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[Andreq]

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