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0. PostPosted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 3:57 pm    Post subject: Future of arcades: GH best profit? Reply with quote

I read this in the Intelligencer. Figured I should type this up for you guys to see.

'Guitar Hero' has an arcade spin-off


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One of the more delightful aspects of the "Guitar Hero" craze is that it has moved video gaming out of the living room and into the public.
Bars and clubs all over the country host regular "Guitar Hero" nights, and gamers are challenging each other in a way that hasn't been seen since George Costanza was a "Frogger" master.
But where to go when there's no "Guitar Hero" Night in your neighborhood, or if you're just too young to go to bars?
By next spring, you'll be able to go to your local mall (or movie theater, or bowling alley) and show off your chops on the "Guitar Hero" arcade game.
It's an unusual partnership between "GH" publisher Activison and Konami, which has more experience with arcade games like "Dance Dance Revolution."
The cabinets are being manufactured by Raw Thrills, an Illinois-base company that has had some arcade success with "The Fast and The Furious and "Big Buck Hunter Pro."
The arcade version will start with more than 50 songs, mostly from "Guitar Hero III," and machine owners will be able to download more.
Raw Thrills vice president Andrew Eloff says the louder, flashier "GH"
"really makes it feel like you're playing on stage." But the real draw, he thinks, will be the competition for high scores: "Everybody wants to be the king of the heap," he says.


The future of arcades - huge masses of people in line for GH. Whoop-de-doo. Seriously, if you could only see the picture, it looks like a friggn' ddr cab with Gaytard hero instead of ddr at the top. Once people learn how to miracle hack these things itg will die instantly. On the flip side, this might bring arcades back to life. Double-edged sword anybody?

BTW: I wonder how much the cabs will cost
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1. PostPosted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow! (And I don't mean that in a good way!)
I don't mean to sound that DDR should be getting all the attention, but think about it logically... What the helmet is so good about GH that it should be in arcades? I mean, DDR is logical; draws crowds (more ppl in the arcade...), makes people want to try if they see someone good, and it's just WAY more fun. In didder, even if you fail, you and the people watching have a good time. But what's so great about having a plastic guitar make sounds like a dying horse if you start to fail. Besides, when's the last time you saw a GH freestyler.

DDR/ITG is already dying in arcades, at least where I live. You will get about 5 good players per month, and a max crowd of 5 people, even at the most popular movie theatre.

And about the partnership; sounds like Konami's just trying to squeeze the last few bucks out of their music game industry before it dies completely by mooching off of the profit from GH.
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Wow, I like Guitar Hero a lot less now.

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Anyways, yeah, no, ti's a shame that Guitar Freaks will never see the light of day in America, natively.

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I think that this is a great idea for money and stuff because people are stupid/entertained enough by Guitar Hero that they'll compete with other people for top high scores and stuff and show off their skills. However...

... I say stupid because there are the Guitar Hero elitists who ruin the game and there will be more drama than a major In The Groove tournament with bad pads. I mean, the reason why I don't like the game anymore is because I can never enjoy playing against someone else other than my family because it always ends up in "You suck" or "There's something wrong with X, but I can still beat you...". That, and has anyone ever read YouTube comments on GH videos? Disgusting.


... I say entertained because people who enjoy playing for the fun will put down the money to get a crowd pumped and have fun without getting competitive. People will plunk down a little cash to fool around and feel that awesome chill down their spine when there are crowds forming making comments about how skilled they are for moving their fingers across plastic fast and accurate enough to keep tracks playing.

From a business point of view this amazes me as to why this wasn't thought of before (taking advantage of Guitar Hero, not an arcade Guitar game in general). From a gamer's point of view I feel sick.

Also, I am afraid of how many stupid reactions Guitar Hero "Experts" will have if this turned out to have as many buttons as Guitar Freaks.
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3. PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anything that gets people into arcades at this point is a good thing.
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4. PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 8:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Future of arcades: GH best profit? Reply with quote

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The future of arcades - huge masses of people in line for GH. Whoop-de-doo. Seriously, if you could only see the picture, it looks like a friggn' ddr cab with Gaytard hero instead of ddr at the top.


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5. PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 2:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

konami's contradicting themselves guysss
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...can't wait to play it though
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6. PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You forgot to mention the part where once the arcade version comes out, GameSpot and IGN will give the arcade version of Guitar Hero a blowjob, saying stuff along the lines of "an amazingly innovative arcade port of a fantastic game" (LOL WUT).


That, and iamchris4life wannabes will overcrowd the arcades once it comes out.
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7. PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 3:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mocha~aetheR wrote:
konami's contradicting themselves guysss
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My first thought was shitting myself due to the forethought that was this.

Seriously, though, I wouldn't be surprised if this "unusual partnership" was the result of Konami slapping Activision with a giant iron phallus-shaped toy (I try to curb my language outside of Random Chat).

And in response to afro:

I think the broader public appeal of GH versus ITG/DDR might validate your point and more and more people playing might equal more tension, but let's think about it...will this bring people into the arcade who don't already go in (mallrats, etc)? GH was a big hit for a lot of people because it let people have GH parties and have a way to socialize while having a pretty fun game that doesn't look too ridiculous (like DDR). Even bars having GH nights (bars I've been to in Athens, GA [my old undergrad] have Wiis etc) are much more intimate than bowling alleys and movie theatres and malls. Still, it could work.

I tend to fly with Gregorius on this one.
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8. PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wow yeah i hate this idea and its like they wanna eliminate ddr idk lol its like in the movies where the evil guys create this "better thing" to take out what was already good man this will suck i hope this doesnt go far disgust.gif
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Vandel Malicious Crew VDL wrote:
wow yeah i hate this idea and its like they wanna eliminate ddr idk lol its like in the movies where the evil guys create this "better thing" to take out what was already good man this will suck i hope this doesnt go far disgust.gif

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this is a really good point
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What's the deal with you Americans not getting G Freaks?

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Mocha~aetheR wrote:
Vandel Malicious Crew VDL wrote:
wow yeah i hate this idea and its like they wanna eliminate ddr idk lol its like in the movies where the evil guys create this "better thing" to take out what was already good man this will suck i hope this doesnt go far disgust.gif

lol
this is a really good point


I'm not big on the "let's hate Mocha" bandwagon but I hope you were being sarcastic. There's not a lot you can do to really steal the DDR populace with a Guitar Hero game. They already know it and probably play it at home as is. If we're talking about replacement of DDR machines with GH machines, somehow I sincerely doubt that'll happen.

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12. PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

10 minutes?

Lucky. I only have Pop'n and IIDX 2 hours away from me. And GF/DM 3 hours.

I doubt DDR machines will be replaced by Guitar Hero. It just... doesn't make sense. I don't think there needs to be an explanation either on why it doesn't make sense. I mean.... DDR is popular and so is Guitar Hero. Removing one for another will be a stupid decision on the manager's part and keeping both in the same area will make a lot more money. Not saying that will never happen in any arcade, but it will be very unlikely.

What would be a bit more plausible is the Guitar Hero machines drowning out a bit or most sounds from DDR.
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They probably would, because 12 year old kids would complain that OMG TEH GH MACHEIN IZNT LOUD ENUF even when it's blaring because playing Through the Fire and Flames 9,003 times made it so that the GH is never loud enough and a barely audible DDR machine is WAY TOO LOUD OMFG.
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Discoman wrote:
I'm not big on the "let's hate Mocha" bandwagon but I hope you were being sarcastic. There's not a lot you can do to really steal the DDR populace with a Guitar Hero game. They already know it and probably play it at home as is. If we're talking about replacement of DDR machines with GH machines, somehow I sincerely doubt that'll happen.

...but if every arcade knows that not many people play DDR as much as GH, wouldn't they get a GH game when they sell/scrap (whatever they do with old DDR machines lol) the DDR machine? over time the numbers of machines are gonna get smaller
what i'm saying is that since GH is so much more popular than DDR now, if arcades have enough money to buy either a DDR machine or a GH machine, which would make the most money for them?
that's what i think...we'll see though E13.gif
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Mocha~aetheR wrote:

...but if every arcade knows that not many people play DDR as much as GH, wouldn't they get a GH game when they sell/scrap (whatever they do with old DDR machines lol) the DDR machine? over time the numbers of machines are gonna get smaller


Think of it as this. You have five machines sitting next to each other in order.

Bubble Bobble, Space Invaders, Junior Pac-man, DDR Extreme, Street Fighter III, 3rd strike.

Let's say the first three machines take up 1 chunk and the last two games take up two chunks. All these machines fit into the space given nicely.

In order of most played we have...

1. Street Fighter III
2. DDR Extreme
3. Bubble Bobble
4. Space Invaders
5. Junior Pac-man

The manager buys Guitar Hero and has this space to fit it in. He would need to remove either Street Fighter III or DDR Extreme or two other games that don't make enough. Since DDR Extreme and Street Fighter make the most money, what sense would there be to remove these games? It would be better to remove Space Invaders and Junior Pac-man.

Now we have four games and make more money than the original five games ever would.

Now let's have another situation. A small gaming wall has a DDR Machine. Now the owner buys Guitar Hero. This is the only place with DDR or Guitar Hero arcade. The fanbase is equally large for both games. Even though the owner could lose a bit more money having both games run, he'd make more money in the end by keeping both games going instead of replacing one for another.

Or something along those lines.
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That guy with the afro... wrote:
Or something along those lines.

ohhhh i see what you mean
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I've been waiting for this. Since Konami has completely failed to step up to the plate at all, this is the best possible thing for arcade games featuring plastic instruments. It may only have 50 songs on it's list but it has DLC capabilites, so this number will undoubtedly grow much larger within a short amount of time.

This is the absolute greatest thing to happen in American arcades since the Great Dance Revival (ITG leading to DDRSN, with Pump chugging along at a much greater speed), and I can't wait for one of the arcades around here to get it.
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